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    Hi all

    Yesterday (yes, I know that's early to be in trouble already) I took home a bull breed X from a shelter. The pup is male, 14 weeks of age, and desexed. He's had one vaccination. He's my first dog as an adult, but I have cats and have done some work in cat rescue.

    For whatever reason (feeling like a dog newb? I don't know) I took the pup home from the (reputable, honestly) shelter without double checking a couple of things that made me uncomfortable. The pup had a bottle of ointment with him, with instructions to apply twice a day to a patch under his chin. I asked the girl at the shelter if he had ringworm, and explained I have a multi-animal household so I needed to know. She said she didn't think he had it, she thought it was just dermatitis, but I could always call the vet on the prescription label and ask what was up with him.

    So stupidly I took him home, and THEN rang the vet (thinking 'oh I'll just find out what kind of dermatitis this is and what I need to do for it'.) Ringworm. On top of ringworm, the pup is very underweight (not the shelter's fault, he has only been with them long enough to be desexed and rehomed to me). He was also absolutely crawling with fleas. I put him in the bath and the second he was wet he just came alive with them. Plus now I could see the flea bites all over his tummy and his rear knees. I used a flea shampoo for the adults, and then spent a while with a flea comb taking all the adults I could find off him. Then I used a spot-on.

    The pup is in my main bathroom on a tiled floor that connects to wooden floorboards, so the area is easy to keep clean - vacuuming (ducted so any ringworm spores are taken right out into the garage) and washing down the floor with a pineocleen solution once a day. His pretty new dog bed's been through the wash already what with the fleas and him crapping on it.

    I'm feeling completely overwhelmed. Getting this pup was supposed to be a fabulous experience and I was all set to work so very hard on integrating him with my cats - all rescues themselves, all hale and hearty and all social with each other. I was all set to toilet train and feed him up.

    Now everything's gone to sh1t - the ringworm and the fleas have knocked me for six. He's stuck in my bathroom with his ringworm, I can't let him near my animals, I have to make sure they're away from him when I take him outside to toilet, and that's been a disaster so far - he's shat in the bathroom about nine times - I took him outside six times yesterday, he peed twice, and looks like he held it all in so he could crap all over the floor last night, including once in his bed. (This is entirely my fault - he's so skinny I fed him every time I looked at him yesterday, he ate his way through most of a 700g can of Nature's Gift puppy food and all that food's gotta go somewhere!)

    I'm so stressed that I'll be fighting a house-wide ringworm infection for months, I feel incredibly guilty about my poor cats (existing, established pets who were perfectly jolly until I introduced plague-puppy into the house).

    I can't get any perspective, I feel like I've done the wrong thing by my cats, I feel like this was a stupid decision and I'm kicking myself for not listening to my instincts at the shelter and pressing them on the ointment, but I'd already grown attached to him! There's no question of me returning the pup. (Who I haven't even named because I can't figure out if I want to call him Best-Thing-Ever or Can-Of-Worms.)

    I also feel like I've done the wrong thing by my pup - this is a cat-strong household and I got a pup because I wanted him to have every chance to socialise with the cats so I'd have a happy household; now I have to segregate him and he can't understand why he's shut in the bathroom and they're not, so he's a frustrated pup. He's also behind a baby gate so they can all see each other, which has helped with the initial investigations (the cats sit 10 feet away and look at him, but no hissing or running) but I can't figure out if that's a quarantine disaster.

    So there you go, that's a lot of angst in (/checks watch) the 21 hours since I brought him home.

    Can someone help talk me down off the clock tower here? What should I be doing? What routine will I follow with food and water for this skinny pup to help me toilet train him? Keep in mind I can't tie him to my waist as I walk around the house, like I wanted to, because he has SODDING RINGWORM.

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    Hi mate...welcome to puppyhood...this one doesn't sound very easy

    Look....I know this might not be an option, but you do have a choice to take puppy back to the shelter. It is supposed to be fun having a pup and you sound very stressed out right now. This will for sure transfer to your pup too, so it is important to take a deep breath I think.

    How long is pup being left by himself in the bathroom without human contact? Socialisation is PARAMOUNT right now in his life as he is 14 weeks old. When is he due for his next vaccination, so he can get out and about? How long will he need to be treated for ringworm until he can be integrated with the other household pets?

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    Feeding...I would feed him 3-4 times a day and probably give him a tad more than he is supposed to get. Get a high quality food like Eaglepack Holistic Select Puppy possibly to give him good nutrition

    As you might know...bull breeds can have a tendency to not like other dogs very much, so he most definitely needs socialisation with other dogs as soon as possible.

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    First of all, thankyou for deciding to rescue, don't let this awful situation turn you off.

    Direct contact is the only way ringworm can pass. It can pass from dog to human to dog to human, to cat, back to human to dog, to cat. So I hope you have been wearing gloves when handling the puppy, beds etc. and then washing your hands.

    You have to book an appointment with your vet. They might give you a medication called Griseofulvin which stops any reproduction.
    You should buy some 'lime sulpur dips' and wash the dog twice a week.
    And decontaminate your whole house. Use a bleach solution on all tops(tables, sinks, bath etc.) Wash bedding in very very hot water. Vacuum everyday, steam cleaning is even better.

    You will need to keep your dog in quarantine(sp?) for at least 10 days and continue this routine, but keep in touch with your vet. Its probly a good idea to treat all your cats now aswell.

    On the small plus side, ringworm will resolve itself if not treated in between 2 and 4 months
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    Guys - thanks for all, have spoken to my vet on the phone and am off to see her in half an hour. Need to get a full assessment of Plague Puppy (look, he doesn't have a name yet so that'll have to do for now ) and then make a decision on the best course of action from here - I want to make sure there's nothing ELSE wrong with him before I pledge to embark on the fungus fight.

    (Later, when this is all better, you'll read my rants about spending $400 on a desexed shelter pup and then spending a vet bill the next day because I don't trust the shelter or their vet.)

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    Just for next time - don't put on the top spot after washing. Because the shampoo can wash away the oils it doesn't allow the top spot to spread so it just sits in one spot. So it is best to wait a couple of days. i have heard of burns occurring this way

    Capstar is good for killing fleas too. It is a tablet that you give them when you see the fleas on them and the fleas die pretty quickly.

    Hope all goes good at the vets!

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    God, what a **** of a shelter

    Once everything is sorted healthwise - have you thought about a crate? I would have gone mad with out crates for my guys as puppies. Crates also help with toilet training.

    What i would do would be work out where puppy is going to be living - will he be outside? inside? set up his area for him and block the cats off if they can still not be together, that way he can get used to what you want from him, even though he cant be around the cats (this is if he can not have contact with them for now)

    IF you can not block the cats off, can you put them in a room together? leave them in there and go on with training pup, to me, getting the pup used to the house hold and what needs to be done and toilet training would be more important than allowing the cats to run around all over the place - the cats will get over it once everything settles down

    this will get you both into a routine and start the toilet training, if he was in a pound he may think it is normal to poop where he wants.. and where he sleeps you need to keep an eye on him at all times to help him learn what to do.

    good luck with it

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    How about Gus for a name? Fungus?
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    Back from the vet.

    First, pup is a TROOPER. Gorgeously friendly to the vet, who adored him.

    Second, this pup is so thin that everyone else in the vet clinic looked at me in TOTAL disgust. You have no idea. I should get a t-shirt that says 'it wasn't me'.

    Regarding restricting the cats and allowing the pup to roam, I can't do that - as the established animals in the house, the cats won't just get over it. They'll start to act out if they're put second, restricted to a single room 24 hours a day, and then I'll have one hell of a problem because I have six cats.

    Additionally, and more importantly, the vet has warned me against allowing the pup roam the house until he has the ringworm all-clear. If I let him on the couch, for instance, he'll shed ringworm spores on the couch, and my cats will pick up those spores when they next lie on the couch. The dog can also reinfect himself because ringworm spores can apparently survive for ages in things like your sofa. Ringworm is one thing in dogs, it's something else entirely in cats, because of the amount of hair and dander they shed and because of the amount of washing they do - to themselves and to each other.

    Having chatted to my vet today, and having picked up anti-fungal cream from the chemist for topical application, the trick is to keep the animal in one area, clean down that area regularly, and only move the animal out of isolation when they have the all clear. Wherever this pup goes, he's going to have to put up with similar (which is why pounds euthanise ringworm animals - because it's too hard.)

    The pup isn't too isolated in my bathroom. The door isn't closed, and this is an open-plan single storey house, so you can see the dining table from the family bathroom where the pup is. With the baby gate on the door, the pup isn't 'shut away' - he can see a good bit of the house, and I've the radio on and he can hear everything that's going on. It's not ideal for the long term, but I have to face it, the pup has ringworm - if I return him to the shelter, he'll either get put in isolation there, or he might be lucky enough to be fostered, either into a home with no other animals (is any dog that lucky, to find a foster carer who'll take just the one animal, with ringworm?) or a home with other animals where he'll have to be in the same position as he is in my bathroom - isolated away from the rest of the house.

    In the short term, I'll just have to deal with the ringworm. I couldn't take him to a puppy class even if I wanted to - it's totally unfair on other people's pups to risk infecting them (and can you honestly see a puppy school instructor who wouldn't run me outta there??)

    As it stands, Gus the Plague Pup has had a BIG 24 hours - shelter, hour in the car, my house, bath, de-fleaing, cats, new people, food, first night in a new home, then another trip to the vet, then threw up in the car on the way home so another round in the bath (just washed his feet, not all of him), so unsurprisingly he now has diarrhoea.

    Demented? You bet.

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    Love the name Gus, lol.
    It may seem that you feel demented but you are doing everything just right. I do feel though that the pup needs some socialisation time with you daily too, not just looking on and being left out.

    Maybe a quarantine style set up with those disposable gloves, a change of clothes and shower after doing so will help him settle for the time it takes to deal with the ringworm (as suggested previously) After he is then back into general circulation, other issues such as toilet training can be addressed.

    My way of looking at things is to try and break the situation down to what you can control and deal with NOW, then progress later, as the situation changes, if you make the decision to keep this pup.
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