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    Hi All,

    A bit more drama in my land...it follows me.

    I wasn't too worried and had been watching him close, hes not to bad with kibble, raises hackles, growls, sideways glare.

    If I stick my hand in his food/face/anywhere near him, he immediately reverts and goes back to ultra cute puppy with tale wags. He had slight (and I mean very slight) people food agression issues, this is obviously the one I tackled first, as I have kids round, so human agression over food is very important to me, luckily I sorted it out the first night, once he figured out I wasn't going to steal his quart whole chicken rofl. So thats all sorted.

    But with kibble he is showing dog-to-dog food agression signs, but with raw he is super possessive/agressive, and when I had Lila come through, he damn near chewed her head/neck off, just went ballistic, scared the **** out of her too. I got them both calmed down, and as soon as I removed any foodstuffs they were back to playing like there normal selves (i.e. Benji trying to fornicate with Lila and both of them chewing each others necks PMSL)

    Now this cannot be tolerated. If it were food agression towards humans that was this bad, even though it would break my heart, I would have to hand him back to the original owners, as it would be too dangerous for my kids.

    But since this is dog to dog aggression, I am hoping I can solve it, they do love each other elsewise.

    I am aware that it is probably because he has been under socialised with other dogs during his first 4-5months. And probably because the young couple saw no need to do anything about alpha human posesses the food type training, he has no recall either, I am quite annoyed about this, as to me the above 3 things are very important to teach pup from day one. Lila has excellent recall, she even escaped once (just to do some sniffing round the park opposite, one call from me and she came running back, we can often leave hte gates open too now wihthout her even being interested in going, unless I am, shes my shadow LOL, she also has no food agression whatsoever, gentle as, both with other dogs & my kids, she has also been quite well socialised (even if she does go mad and want to play with every dog she sees LOL, shes excitable)

    So I was going to try the gate between them to start off with (to protect Lila, he still growls even when the baby gate is between them) and each time he shows the food possessive-ness, to cover the bowl with a box and not uncover till he calms down.

    But is there anything else I can do?

    They really can't be fed seperate for hte rest of their lives, especially if I give whole hanks of meat etc. Given the chance he also steals Lilas food.

    Any thoughts/opinions? As I said, he loves her in every other way, hes just touchy with food. There outside right now still chasing each other round like loons, its great they actually wear each other out LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back2Basics View Post
    I sorted it out the first night, once he figured out I wasn't going to steal his quart whole chicken rofl.
    may I ask how did you sort this out?

    But with kibble he is showing dog-to-dog food agression signs, but with raw he is super possessive/agressive, and when I had Lila come through, he damn near chewed her head/neck off, just went ballistic, scared the **** out of her too.
    How old is your dog and what did Lila do when he growled/attacked her? Is she stable around other dogs when food is in question? How long has he been in your home so far?
    It is quite normal that dogs are food posessive around other dogs they're not quite familiar with. My dog's fine with my other dog, but if anyone else comes anywhere near his food, toys or even my shoes he gets protective. He won't get into fight but will chase an intruder away.

    Now this cannot be tolerated. If it were food agression towards humans that was this bad, even though it would break my heart, I would have to hand him back to the original owners, as it would be too dangerous for my kids.
    Make sure you kids feed the dog from their hands when it's time for meal. Let them give him the wole meal out of their hands and do that for some time. They can have his food bowl in their hans and fid him out of it, and you of course supervise. He will learn they're not a threat. You should do that regardles of him not showing food aggression as I think it is essential for pup/dog houstraining.

    I am aware that it is probably because he has been under socialised with other dogs during his first 4-5months.
    definetelly one of the reasons.

    And probably because the young couple saw no need to do anything about alpha human posesses the food type training,
    Definetelly NOT the reason. Lack of trust is in question.

    But is there anything else I can do?
    What you do with kids, try later with both dogs sitting next to one another and you hold the food bowl. Ask them to sit and give them pieces of food. Otherwise, separate food bowl so each of them has their food bowl in their corner. When you give hanks of meat also, each to their own corner. But try feeding them from your hand first so they (or he) learns he will not miss out on any food, and it's OK that Lila is near too.

    Given the chance he also steals Lilas food.
    No food in bowls outside feeding time. Supervise them during their meal and if he finished don't let him go near Lila's food. He will eventually learn he has his own food bowl and is not allowed to go to another's.
    Respect and you shall be respected. Animal is always right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedra View Post
    may I ask how did you sort this out?

    As I said, it was very slight, it was obvious the owners hadn't been near him during food time, and I believe he had never had raw food just supermarket pal crap, I am not at all saying they were bad owners, they just more spoiled him than trained him iykwim? The loved/adored him, took good care of him, but didn't own a brush for him and used a supermarket brand of puppy shampoo that left residue on his fur, basically they bought the top supermarket brands and believed they were doing the best for him, he was quite a wiry thing, and has only been here a week, but with the change (gradual) in diet he has already put on weight and his coat looks healthier.

    How old is your dog and what did Lila do when he growled/attacked her? Is she stable around other dogs when food is in question? How long has he been in your home so far?

    He is nearly 5 months aroundabout, Lila is 8 months, Lila was just trying to play with him (shes not interested so much in food now she has a friend LOL) she left her food and came over with (even with the gate seperating them) a big smile on her face, he growled as soon as she eyes him on comes anywhere within a metre of him, as I said she just wanted to play as soon as he growls or snaps she jumps back, sometimes she thinks its a game and will go off rushing in the other direction. When he took her bone, she just tugged a bit to try to get it back, he growled, she let go. When I had seperated them again, I gave her her bone, which he hesiatated for a second, then gently took it. So I would say yes, she is quite stable and gentle, she doesn't get hugely upset or freak out nor does she get angry in return. He's been here a week, I know its been a short amount of time, but they have been inside most of the time for that week, so I have been working with him everyday on this.

    It is quite normal that dogs are food posessive around other dogs they're not quite familiar with. My dog's fine with my other dog, but if anyone else comes anywhere near his food, toys or even my shoes he gets protective. He won't get into fight but will chase an intruder away.

    So do you think he will eventually get over it then, if I am careful and do the box food and your sugesstions then? Is there any problems with the undersocialising that suggests this could be a life long problem?

    Make sure you kids feed the dog from their hands when it's time for meal. Let them give him the wole meal out of their hands and do that for some time. They can have his food bowl in their hans and fid him out of it, and you of course supervise. He will learn they're not a threat. You should do that regardles of him not showing food aggression as I think it is essential for pup/dog houstraining.

    Yep, we already do that, I started off doing iit to him, I count it as food annoyance training LOL, I did it with Lila since day one. We are slowly moving him over to more family members bothering him during the same meal. Next is my eldest daughter, hes been fine with my husband, which is good news, as to the dogs, I am the more dominant one in the household, he does love the kids, although I really have to do something about his nails LOL. Not sure whether it was because he didn't have much access to concrete, or its just because of the Kelpie in him (have never owned a Kelpie before) but he has super long sharp nails. Not overly long, more like a kittens.

    definetelly one of the reasons.

    I thought so. I mean hes happy enough to see Lila, but I don't believe hes had too many doggie meets.


    Definetelly NOT the reason. Lack of trust is in question.

    Could you explain this bit more hun? Obviously my brain has switched off atm.



    What you do with kids, try later with both dogs sitting next to one another and you hold the food bowl. Ask them to sit and give them pieces of food. Otherwise, separate food bowl so each of them has their food bowl in their corner. When you give hanks of meat also, each to their own corner. But try feeding them from your hand first so they (or he) learns he will not miss out on any food, and it's OK that Lila is near too.

    Thanks, thats a really good idea. They have the seperate food bowls in each corner (kitchen & laundry). I will keep them seperated and inside whilst feeding for now, so I can keep an eye on them



    No food in bowls outside feeding time. Supervise them during their meal and if he finished don't let him go near Lila's food. He will eventually learn he has his own food bowl and is not allowed to go to another's.
    Once he has figured that out *fingers crossed* should I start to do supervised outdoor feeds (maybe starting with their morning kibble, since hes less possessive of that) and maybe sneaky supervising after that (i.e. hidden in the front yard behind the shrubs so they don't see me).

    Thank you so much for your advice hun, can I ask what you think the best thing is to do when he does the food aggression (like "No!" etc) I have been using "unh!" as its what I use with Lila, but do you believe something else maybe more effective, what about spray bottle with water? (I have been against spray bottles for domestic use, I could see why I had to use it at the rescue place, but if its going to be more effective) I just want Benji to know hes quite loved here and can have all the brainds, tongues & chicken he wants. And that Lila is definately not interested in his food, just him .I have never had two dogs at the same time before (except from the same litter) so this is all new grounds, but I did interoduce them slowly and they have gotten to the point where they are happy to just romp around the backyard with each other. Lila got her stitches out last night, so now I don't have to worry as much about them playing. I can see them zooming back and forth right now though, we have double set of french doors in the lounge, so I see them every now and again zooming past to get to the other part of yard LOL

    I really appreciate your honesty and directness. I need all the help I can get with this. Oh I should mentionits only when he has it in his mouth/interest, as his un-meatified bone was there this morning and Lila wlked past it with no remifications.

    Ooops, one more thing. A lot of the game they play is Lila picking up anything and running away with it, so Benji runs after her to try to take it, they also play tug of war with the toys happily.

    He does get quite aggressive with neck biting and cheek pulling when puppy playing, but this could either be normal big puppy play, sexual frustration/aggression.dominance type thing, or something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back2Basics View Post
    Once he has figured that out *fingers crossed* should I start to do supervised outdoor feeds (maybe starting with their morning kibble, since hes less possessive of that) and maybe sneaky supervising after that (i.e. hidden in the front yard behind the shrubs so they don't see me).
    For sure! But do the thing that I explained first for a week (example)

    Thank you so much for your advice hun, can I ask what you think the best thing is to do when he does the food aggression (like "No!" etc) I have been using "unh!" as its what I use with Lila, but do you believe something else maybe more effective, what about spray bottle with water?


    No that's fine. While you're feeding them, carefully watch his facial expressions, his eyes. If he goes a bit "stiff" and his eyes look focused on Lila - warn him with your "no" or "unh" whatever you use and immediatelly stop feeding till he settles, make sure he (and Lila) are both in a position you put them in (ie. sit)

    Oh I should mentionits only when he has it in his mouth/interest, as his un-meatified bone was there this morning and Lila wlked past it with no remifications.
    It's kind of normal. It has nothing to do with dominance but with resource guarding. It's normal with dogs and animals all together. If you watch lions feeding (on TV) they all growl, mumble and make noises and sometimes lounge at one another. We humans can modify that behaviour with our dogs by showing them they're not threatened.

    Ooops, one more thing. A lot of the game they play is Lila picking up anything and running away with it, so Benji runs after her to try to take it, they also play tug of war with the toys happily.

    He does get quite aggressive with neck biting and cheek pulling when puppy playing, but this could either be normal big puppy play, sexual frustration/aggression.dominance type thing, or something else.
    It's normal puppy play and it can exhibit all sorts of things you've mentioned here. Some dogs play rough, some are a bit subtle. If you feel he's too rough at times feel free to warn him and stop him, but otherwise let them sort their things out.
    Respect and you shall be respected. Animal is always right.

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    When we had Sumo and Ruby here together...they would eat kibble out of each others bowls...they would even eat their BARF diet together which consists of raw meat, vegies etc...no probs. But if we tried to introduce a meaty bone...world war 3 erupted.

    Here...kibble or food was not a high value item, but a meaty bone....very different.

    Sumo was very aggressive with Ruby when we first go him in regards to his food and they ate in separate areas, but that soon settled down when he realised she would not take his food.

    In regards to the bones...they were always kept separate. I didn't believe it was worth starting a war over every time they got a meaty bone. Obviously in their mind...meaty bones were high value and they would not share them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back2Basics View Post
    Ooops, one more thing. A lot of the game they play is Lila picking up anything and running away with it, so Benji runs after her to try to take it, they also play tug of war with the toys happily.

    He does get quite aggressive with neck biting and cheek pulling when puppy playing, but this could either be normal big puppy play, sexual frustration/aggression.dominance type thing, or something else.
    Now this is quite normal, but should of course be controlled so it doesn't get out of hand and Lila gets hurt. Like Fedra said...some dogs play rough...others are more gentle. Having had Staffies here...I am used to the rough play.

    If Ruby picked up a stick...Sumo had to have it...every time.

    If you think it is getting out of hand...try and control it

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    Thanks, will try all of the advice.

    He had a bit of diarreah yesterday, so I was hydrating him today (via a kids syringe), he absolutely didn't want it...and of course, Lila found it yummy & wanted it, at which point he became interested in it *sighs* figures LOL. Reminds my of my son, hes not interested in any toys, till one of the other kids are.

    Hes getting a lot better with me watching them, and was happily playing outside before "guarding" his bones, driving Lila into a frenzy, at which point she snuck round the back of him and grabbed one...then the race was on! (for a whole hour, they made me tired just looking at them) on a big plus side, Lilas a LOT more docile & relaxed now Benjis here, I might actually be able to go take photos now!

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