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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    See I live in a different world. HOW do they spout it to ppl? TV ads? newspaper ads? Bulletins? mags? HOW?
    I think its generally done in a face to face context, over the phone or via email. The ad's in TV, newspapers, mags, pet shops, websites etc all add to it. I think those are what entice people to persue crossbred puppies. JMO.

    I just wanted to add that the people who go about informing new and first time puppy owners about this stuff probably do it for their own gain and/or are not in any way shape or form knowledgable themselves but as a beginner in the doggy world its easy to believe these people know more than you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by azuresky View Post

    Given our space and lifestyle, we've been recommended to look at some cross breeds such as a Maltese x Shihtzu or a Maltese x Caverlier. I know there is a lot of backlash about 'designer dogs' but the reason we are not looking at a pure breed is because we've heard that cross-breeds generally have less health problems and some have better temperaments.
    Ok

    These breeds you have mentioned have a BIG bond with their people. They want to be with you 24/7. If you have an active lifestyle maybe look into another breed.
    As for the health issues and such. Yes some breed have huge health issues, like cavs, but just breeding them to something else doent garantee you will have a healthy dog. You would be far better off looking into a reg breeder who can tell you what you can expect from their lines. It is the biggest benifit of buying reg.
    I am not tooting my own horn, but if you are looking for a a\small "princes" looking dog, like cavs, mults, shihtzu, but do have an active lifestyle a good breed to look into is Tibetan Spaniels (The dog in my av is one, and I have other photos in my albums.) They are a relitvly small breed and do not carry many health issues. They are independant but still love their people and would die for attention. They only require a brush once a week (unless they live inside) as they have a double coat that doe not knot as much as a mult etc. Im going to stop now lol
    Either way, It is a good idea to look into purebred dogs to see what you are looking for and get the right fit for your lifestyle

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    Amy I'm asking because I hear this a lot, but nobody can tell me how they are being bombarded with it.

    What do you mean a face to face or over the phone/email etc? Ppl just ring numbers and canvas spouting this crap? Surely not? My kids watch TV even though I don't, but they never see ads for dogs of any sort on TV. Dog mags to my knowledge are usually purebred, so I'm genuinely not understanding this concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Amy I'm asking because I hear this a lot, but nobody can tell me how they are being bombarded with it.

    What do you mean a face to face or over the phone/email etc? Ppl just ring numbers and canvas spouting this crap? Surely not? My kids watch TV even though I don't, but they never see ads for dogs of any sort on TV. Dog mags to my knowledge are usually purebred, so I'm genuinely not understanding this concept.
    I don't think anyone is bombarded with it. Nor do I think they 'canvas' so to speak. I guess first time owners look to cross breeds because they are, in SOME instances, less expensive, and tbh there are TONNES of them out there! No waiting lists, not meeting with a breeder to talk about the home the puppy will have, just call and collect.

    IMO its when the calls/emails/meetings are arranged that the sellers of cross breeds tell people how wonderful they are. That they shed less, that they are healthier etc. People then tell their friends about their cute bundle of fur that is a cross and is healthier and doesnt shed. And so they tell their friends and so on and so forth.

    I'm not saying I agree with ANY of it. But I do believe it is what happens out there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy86 View Post
    I don't think anyone is bombarded with it. Nor do I think they 'canvas' so to speak. I guess first time owners look to cross breeds because they are, in SOME instances, less expensive, and tbh there are TONNES of them out there! No waiting lists, not meeting with a breeder to talk about the home the puppy will have, just call and collect.

    IMO its when the calls/emails/meetings are arranged that the sellers of cross breeds tell people how wonderful they are. That they shed less, that they are healthier etc. People then tell their friends about their cute bundle of fur that is a cross and is healthier and doesnt shed. And so they tell their friends and so on and so forth.

    I'm not saying I agree with ANY of it. But I do believe it is what happens out there!
    That is true. Just make a call and pick the dog up, no questions asked at either end. Both parties are uneducated IMO. I agree, happens all the time.

    But that is the idiot sellers (will not use the word breeders) who are doing it, nothing else. Including BYBs and pet stores etc.

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    HOW is it done? I think it starts in pet shops that sell these so-called DD's. People go in and get told what they want to hear, they in turn go and talk to friends, family, colleagues etc and that's how the "chinese whispers" starts. People see ads in papers etc and say ooh remember that cute puppy we saw in the pet shop, let's follow up the ad. The puppy mills and byb'ers trade on those chinese whispers and when people enquire the sellers are very good at reinforcing those whispers.

    They focus on the people that don't know about puppy mills, byb'ing, and let's be honest here, that is the majority of the general public, and I was one of them 10 years ago, it wasn't until I got involved with rescue that I found out a hell of a lot and boy was it an eye opener!

    Now, I do my best to educate people where I can, by either pointing them to responsible registered breeder or to a rescue group. Sadly, not everyone can be educated nor wants to be. But I can try.....

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    Contact a rescue group they will have puppies. Or better yet get an adult dog and that way you will know what you are getting (a little better) in regards health. Temperament is another story all together though.

    Cross bred or pure bred - there is no absolute guarantees.

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    Amy, I hope you don't mind me using your name, but you are a perfect example of what I am talking about....an average member of Joe Public, who wanted a dog, had a lovely home on offer, and basically was unaware of puppy mills, byb'ers. But in your case, you have since educated yourself. But you make a valid point in terms of no waiting lists, no interviews, just call and place your order like you would if you wanted to pick up a pizza.

    I can tell you that if wanted to be a byb'er I could run a very successful business, and would have no problems convincing people that my puppies were far superior to any other dogs. Tell 'em what they want to hear, make the sale and then wash my hands of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreysAreGreat View Post
    Amy, I hope you don't mind me using your name, but you are a perfect example of what I am talking about....an average member of Joe Public, who wanted a dog, had a lovely home on offer, and basically was unaware of puppy mills, byb'ers. But in your case, you have since educated yourself. But you make a valid point in terms of no waiting lists, no interviews, just call and place your order like you would if you wanted to pick up a pizza.

    I can tell you that if wanted to be a byb'er I could run a very successful business, and would have no problems convincing people that my puppies were far superior to any other dogs. Tell 'em what they want to hear, make the sale and then wash my hands of it.
    I don't mind you using my name at all. Everything I am writing it from personal experience. Like I said I WISH I knew then what I knew now! IMO the waiting for a puppy and talking to a breeder about your home and family is completely and utterly worth it to have that support and peace of mind!

    Other people have suggested rescue groups which, AFAIK, give owners the same type of support as breeders do. For me, and I'm assuming for many other first timers, its the support that would mean the most!

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    Oh I've heard first hand the crap that PP sprout to potential puppy owners.

    Remember, I'm the lady who's photo is up in the staff room that says "beware this lady will not tolerate us filling our customers heads with crap".

    Like non shedding and crap, smarter and crap, healthier and crap, cuter (is there such a word) and crap, etc etc etc.

    As for less expensive, people really need to contact registered breeders and see that the pet shop chains are ripping them off.

    As for the cute thing, I haven't found a puppy yet that isn't cute.

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