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    Wow, had a surprisingly easy night. I'm not sure if I just slept through his crying or whether he didnt. I slept right through till 4:30 when I had to get up for my own toilet break. I think he must have heard me get up because he cried and scratched on the door for about 10 minutes before settling down again. He had another go at around 5 which is the time he'd been waking up every morning. I got up at 6 and he went absolutely NUTS with excitement. Took about 15 minutes to settle him down. I had to clean up his night time mess before I could open the back door (he'd done a couple of poos and a couple of wees but at least it was contained on the pads and not all over the lounge room floor!).

    Next thing is to start tackling his nipping at my legs and tearing at my clothes. Is it ok to use the laundry (where he sleeps) as his time out/naughty corner when he's bad? I dont want him to think that going in there is punishment.

    I bought him a childs play pen to use as a time out area but he's still small enough to squeeze through the bars

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    Hi FancyPantsJen

    Trust me...I feel your frustrations, anguish and desparation, because I have been in the exact same situation.

    I can not remember what sort of dog you have...size etc, but mine ended up being a 1 year old, 55kg male Rottweiler.

    We had everything organised...laundry where he was to sleep...his eating area...bedding...everything was ready to go and we were soooo excited. Odin arrived at 8 weeks old and he was gorgeous. Odin was a show dog, so he was entire (until he was 10 months old).

    First night - I put him in the laundry. He was SCREAMING and screaming...and screaming. I did the ONLY thing I should not have done and what is that...I went back to see if he was ok. I picked him up...cuddled him and put him back in the bed. I closed the door and the screaming got even worse! I ended up sleeping on the lounge with Odin on the floor next to me, so the rest of the house could get some sleep. Pay attention to this one...I slept on the lounge until he was 7 months, because if we isolated him...he would be screaming and he would take my laundry apart, eat the door frame and scratch the door to pieces.

    Toilet training
    - Odin would go outside...play around and when we went inside, would pee or poop on the floor. Yep, I tried the training pads too, but the problem is...they have plastic on them and I think they are unsafe for puppies, because they tend to chew them and eat them. At least newspaper is just that...newspaper and A LOT cheaper. He would go in his crate...look at me and pee on his bedding on purpose.

    Eating - we had to fight getting him to eat. He would look at me like "I don't like that" and what did I do...I gave him something else...BIG MISTAKE!

    Biting - Odin was a TERRIBLE biter. We conferred with the breeder and they told us and I quote "just let him...he will grow out of it". Our arms looked like we had been whipped. Unfortunately he didn't grow out of it...it got worse. He would bite the kids when they came home on their ankles, clothes, shoes and legs. He would jump up and bite their hands. One day when he was about 5 months old...he was running around pushing his toy into my bottom. I pushed him aways and say NO...he dropped the toy...bit me really hard on my bottom and drew blood!

    I want to emphasise...Odin received obedience training from he was 12 weeks. I started training him from the day we got him and he was a fairly easy puppy to training. He got specialised Rottweiler training too and also had show training.

    NOW...Odin of course did become toilet trained. We persisted with taking him outside...told him what a good boy he was when he did it there etc.

    He learned to sleep in his crate, because I told him to...pure and simple. After having slept with him for that long on the lounge...I had had it. I made sure he of course was toilet trained at night, so he wouldn't continue peeing in the crate.

    He also became more and more dominant. One day hubby was sitting next to me on our corner lounge and gentle rubbing my arm. Odin came over...slowly crawled on the lounge and stood over hubby as to say..."DO NOT touch her". He didn't growl or show teeth...he just stood over hubby, looking down at him...it was NOT a pretty sight! He would stand near the lounge...look at hubby and cock his leg while he was still looking at him as to say...this is MY house!

    This story does not end good unfortunately. Odin was returned to the breeder when he "had a go" at our 2 sons one morning and then turned on my hubby when he ran out to help our oldest son. Odin bit him and drew blood. I have cried MANY tears in dispair...frustration...hurt...uncertainty and helplessness.

    I have written this down for you so you can see...you are not alone...not a bad person...not a bad puppy parent. You are human and just need a bit of help and guidance to get you back on track I am not ashamed of this story, because it taught me a lot.

    You have got to go back to square one again and this time...I want you to take a deep breath...write down what you want to achieve and follow through with it. NEVER reprimand you puppy when you feel angry etc!!! Put puppy outside until you have calmed down...and REALLY calmed down because puppy can feel your energy.

    Get a crate! Crate training is fabulous and can be a lifesaver with toilet training (must be done properly) and also to give you some timeout and give puppy some time on its own with a chew toys etc.

    Get the laundry happening at night IMMEDIATELY. Before you put puppy in there...make sure it is safe, so you do not have an excuse to go back. Set a time...lets say 9.30pm. Take puppy outside to go to toilet. Put puppy on bed in laundry...say goodnight...walk out and do not look back...close the door and DO NOT go back until the morning! It doesn't matter how loud or for how long the screaming goes on...do not go back! Morning comes...open door...DO NOT make a big fuss...take puppy directly outside to go to toilet and only then can you fuss! I don't believe in not leaving water for my pups at night...I just leave newspaper to go on. If they have shredded it in the morning...so what...it is only newspaper and at least they had some fun.

    Biting...it MUST be controlled IMMEDIATELY!. Canine teeth are NOT allowed on human clothes or skin...period! Try to redirect...puppy bites...a loud NO!...give a toy the puppy is allowed to chew...get up and ignore or isolate puppy outside for timeout. This must be done EVERY time...no exceptions! If this biting gets out of hand...contact a professional to deal with it, because unfortunately it might just get worse.

    Toilet training - if he is more interested in playing...put him on a lead...walk in circles and see if he will do it on a lead. That way you can control him, but some dogs just do not like doing it on a lead. Have hawk eyes, because most dogs send signals when they need to go. If you know he will play and then pee on the floor when you go inside...take him out...let him play..take him inside...wait 30 sec or until you can see his signals and plunk him outside again...say toilet and when he does it...PRAISE like he just won the gold medal at the olympics! Do NOT tell him off if he does it inside!!! Just clean it up and put him outside again. Toilet training takes time. He is just a wee baby...only 4 1/2 months old...give it time...be persistent and CALM.

    You need to set ground rules and they MUST be followed...by EVERY family member! You have GOT to assert yourself as the "pack leader". Some people have it in them to be able to do this...other just don't. Some people believe in "pack leaders"...other don't. Trust me...puppy would NOT be biting you that way if he knew you were "the boss".

    Jumping - when puppy jumps up...stand TALL...cross your arms over your chest...look up at the sky/ceiling and IGNORE. Puppy is not getting what he wants, which is attention and hopefully this will stop. You have got to remember...negative or positive attention is STILL attention. Pushing him away or down when he jumps is attention. Everybody in the household will HAVE to do these things...kids included.

    If you want to chat to me some more...send me a pm and we will go from there

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    Can you shut him in your bathroom as a time out area?

    That's what I do with Batty, my laundry is in my garage here. Batty has his crate in the living room and goes into the bathroom on his own for time out.

    When he's toileting outdoors it really is important to just stand there and do nothing, say nothing, even fold your arms across your chest and just wait. Once he's going then say something like 'Pee Pee, good boy, what a good boy" in a happy but calm tone. Once that's finished give him a quick pat and go back to waiting and he should do his twos as well. It's important that you do stand there and watch for him to do it! They are very tricksy and will fool you into thinking they've gone when they haven't.

    Good luck! You're definitely not a failure at all either, so please don't think that!

    Does Max know the meaning of "No Biting" or "No teeth"?

    I ask because Batty would chase nipping at my feet and hubby's feet and the cats paws every time we moved. I wound up sitting on the ground, cross legged with my hands in front of me and my elbows on my knees. I waited until he decided to bite at my hands (didn't take long) and I growled at him "No Teeth" it was the deepest (painful) growl I could do. I praised as soon as his mouth was off me - inadvertently taught him that when I say no he sits and looks at me, but that's a good thing too - I'd praise him very calmy but very happily. It does take time though. Yelping or making a high pitched noise when he nipped made him far worse, he'd get so excited it would almost be a frenzy of nipping. I find that I have to be quite hard on him before he'll really 'get it' if you know what I mean.

    This is just what I do, but it may help you

    ETA: Cleasanta has given you some amazing advice - some things in there I wish I'd done sooner too!

    Cleas, I'm sorry about what happened with Odin. I truly hope you don't blame yourself for what happened as it wasn't your fault.
    Last edited by Angela's Gone Batty; 03-04-2010 at 07:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FancypantsJen View Post
    Wow, had a surprisingly easy night. I'm not sure if I just slept through his crying or whether he didnt. I slept right through till 4:30 when I had to get up for my own toilet break. I think he must have heard me get up because he cried and scratched on the door for about 10 minutes before settling down again. He had another go at around 5 which is the time he'd been waking up every morning. I got up at 6 and he went absolutely NUTS with excitement. Took about 15 minutes to settle him down. I had to clean up his night time mess before I could open the back door (he'd done a couple of poos and a couple of wees but at least it was contained on the pads and not all over the lounge room floor!).

    Next thing is to start tackling his nipping at my legs and tearing at my clothes. Is it ok to use the laundry (where he sleeps) as his time out/naughty corner when he's bad? I dont want him to think that going in there is punishment.

    I bought him a childs play pen to use as a time out area but he's still small enough to squeeze through the bars
    You maybe also need to deal with the highlighted part too.
    What do YOU do when he gets this excited?

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    Great news about your over night rest. Just keep going & he'll be toileting like he should be. Today, make sure he goes outside for toilet before he gets a chance to "blot his copy book". I'd suggest taking him hourly to relieve himself. A trick I've just remembered is to have a wet cotton ball, daub his willie & it tricks him into thinking he has to go. Doesn't work on all dogs, but worth a try.

    I see Clea has just posted heaps of info regarding all sorts of things including nipping & biting, so I won't add anything extra here.

    Good luck. Keep us posted & remember .... you're not a bad person .... you own a dog so you must be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSDs4Ever View Post
    Great news about your over night rest. Just keep going & he'll be toileting like he should be. Today, make sure he goes outside for toilet before he gets a chance to "blot his copy book". I'd suggest taking him hourly to relieve himself. A trick I've just remembered is to have a wet cotton ball, daub his willie & it tricks him into thinking he has to go. Doesn't work on all dogs, but worth a try.

    I see Clea has just posted heaps of info regarding all sorts of things including nipping & biting, so I won't add anything extra here.

    Good luck. Keep us posted & remember .... you're not a bad person .... you own a dog so you must be nice.
    *coffee splurt*

    ROFLMAO.

    If it doesn't work, it'll probably make him feel good anyway.

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    Oh! When you're cleaning up, use white vineger, don't use any other kind of cleaning product as they will encourage him to keep going in the same spot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    *coffee splurt*

    ROFLMAO.

    If it doesn't work, it'll probably make him feel good anyway.
    You're wicked DA.

    Hey, when you're desperate to get this problem fixed, you'll try just about anything. Because FPJen owns a boy dog, it's more likely to work.

    And that's a big to you for being so cheeky if it works (please work, please work)

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    It'll work GSD's. He's a very excitable dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    It'll work GSD's. He's a very excitable dog.
    Hehehehe

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