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    Question Overexercising a 19 Wk Pup?

    Everywhere I see warnings about not overexercising my puppy. But how do I know enough is enough or if it's too much?

    I don't take him for long walks and not every day - 15 minutes max which includes stopping to sniff, a little bit of sitting/dropping/waiting/heeling...

    My worry is the dogpark. How often should I take a 19 week kelpie X to the dogpark and for how long? When we go, he does run around a bit - chasing other dogs and he loves chasing frisbees though he doesn't seem to want to catch them.

    Also, other than future physical ailments, what are other 'symptoms' of overexercising. For example, is it possible to condition him to need more exercise whereas he could do with a little less? And how can I convince my partner that it actually exists.

    Thanks in advance...

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    My rule is waiting untill maturity to exercise. Around 18 months. things like jogs, biking etc.

    Focusing on things like obedience and socilisation etc untill that time. A dog park session around a half an hour.

    I used to take Sir(RIP) on runs and long hikes way too early. But I knew nothing about it back then, I read six months was when I could start exercising a dog and I thought great, but I was dumb, and read the wrong book, it was too much too early. It harmed his joints badly.

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    rule of thumb is about 5 minutes per month of age for exercise at one time. But I think it would be ok take a kelpie x for more so long as it wasn't more than the max rule of thumb at a time eg 19 weeks is three or four months so about 20 minutes so two or three runs on the oval of 20 minutes max each?

    Kelpies won't stop till they fall over so it's up to you to limit the exercise - and that way your dog will still be able to run, sit down and get up comfortably in its old age.

    Too much exercise - the dog gets the shakes, falls over, collapses, if a kelpie stops and lies down to rest - it's had more than enough exercise for that session. They never do that voluntarily.

    How long should I walk my puppy for each day?

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    It's a fine line to walk with a working breed like yours. Under exercise and your pup will get up to mischief and generraly be less settled and not really content. Over exercise and you risk damage to joints.

    Kelpies do mature early. DOn't forget that on farm they would be well and truly working at 19 weeks.

    The best thing to do is keep it short, but add some structure to it. Challenge his mind and not just his body. Mental exercise will wear him out more than mindless running about.

    So give him some simple tasks - even fetch! Add in recalls and sits etc. But you might need to find somewhere quieter than the dog park for this! Then use a quick free run at the dog park as a reward.

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    Thanks for the quick responses! Great info as usual!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    rule of thumb is about 5 minutes per month of age for exercise at one time. But I think it would be ok take a kelpie x for more so long as it wasn't more than the max rule of thumb at a time eg 19 weeks is three or four months so about 20 minutes so two or three runs on the oval of 20 minutes max each?

    Kelpies won't stop till they fall over so it's up to you to limit the exercise - and that way your dog will still be able to run, sit down and get up comfortably in its old age.

    Too much exercise - the dog gets the shakes, falls over, collapses, if a kelpie stops and lies down to rest - it's had more than enough exercise for that session. They never do that voluntarily.

    How long should I walk my puppy for each day?

    How long to walk a puppy (Great Dane)
    How long to walk a puppy or let it play (Boxer)
    Hyacinth - thanks for the links and also for teaching me something new about the kelpie breed. I knew they were a handful but I didn't know they were that relentless ; )

    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    It's a fine line to walk with a working breed like yours. Under exercise and your pup will get up to mischief and generraly be less settled and not really content. Over exercise and you risk damage to joints.

    Kelpies do mature early. DOn't forget that on farm they would be well and truly working at 19 weeks.

    The best thing to do is keep it short, but add some structure to it. Challenge his mind and not just his body. Mental exercise will wear him out more than mindless running about.

    So give him some simple tasks - even fetch! Add in recalls and sits etc. But you might need to find somewhere quieter than the dog park for this! Then use a quick free run at the dog park as a reward.
    Nattylou - surprising info. Wow I thought they would be working on a farm later than that. Then again, I have no idea but I just assumed that 19 weeks would be too young. I can't imagine him running around herding sheep just yet : P

    And yes, I train him at least three times a day for at least 5 minutes. Not to mention games such as fetch, 'herd the basketball', chase the human, the touch game, food finding, magical treat balls, bones, etc etc etc. I know that kelpies are demanding in both physical and mental capacities but I wasn't sure about the physical aspect. As well, I'm starting obedience school on the 1st of March. But despite the games and the training, he still needs to burn off physical energy. I noticed if I don't exercise him enough, he will literally run circles around the garden and through the house.

    I guess at the end of the day, I admit to being an overprotective newbie owner who just wants to get it right and not eff it up so again thanks for replies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loeka View Post
    I guess at the end of the day, I admit to being an overprotective newbie owner who just wants to get it right and not eff it up so again thanks for replies.
    I'm the same

    My reply wont be as indepth as the other two so sorry for that haha but I think youre walking him the right amount, to get him out and socialised etc 15 mins for a 19 week old pup seems fine to me, its about the same as my puppy got at that age.

    Something else that the vet and my puppy trainers have suggested is not playing fetch, or at least limiting fetch games, because of the sudden stopping and starting action. I'm not sure though, as a newbie thats what I've been told and I dont know if its true or not but I thought I'd share. The worst thing is, if I dont walk rocky enough, he starts to bolt around the house, and does the whole stop/start thing anyway! So I have to really get the balance right with him.. argh. This whole limiting exercise is a real pain in the bum! I'd love to let him have a good run!! but its worth it in the long run I suppose

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    The guy who is master of training kelpies and sheep dogs, he doesn't look for a dog to train until it is 6 months and then it's just play and time with sheep. And he doesn't seem to start the real training until 12 months old. So not sure about the 19 week working working dog thing. They would definitely be introduced to sheep at that age under supervision of an experienced older dog but they wouldn't be doing anything more than playing. This would also sort the sheep attackers from the sheep herders - why spend 12 months on dog food if the dog is unsuitable from the start.

    Now if I could just remember the trainer's name. I saw him interviewd by Don Burke and he denied knowing anything about training Kelpies but he's written several books on how to do it. Can't find anything on the web. Typical farm bloke. Why sit at the computer when you can be out chasing sheep. Sigh.

    Found him
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    http://www.burkesbackyard.com.au/fac...ing-Kelpie/338
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    HAHAHA I realised today that I actually meant to write 16 weeks not 19 weeks but oh well :P

    Quote Originally Posted by RockyRidge View Post
    Something else that the vet and my puppy trainers have suggested is not playing fetch, or at least limiting fetch games, because of the sudden stopping and starting action. I'm not sure though, as a newbie thats what I've been told and I dont know if its true or not but I thought I'd share. The worst thing is, if I dont walk rocky enough, he starts to bolt around the house, and does the whole stop/start thing anyway! So I have to really get the balance right with him.. argh. This whole limiting exercise is a real pain in the bum! I'd love to let him have a good run!! but its worth it in the long run I suppose
    Ahhh I remember reading/hearing about the stopping thing too and when he started jumping up for things I was like NOOOOOOOOOOO and then I realised I can't stop him from jumping. I don't encourage it though. Although he's damn agile. Sometimes I think he's part monkey.

    I can't wait until he's older either although I'm starting to miss his 10 week puppy stage!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    The guy who is master of training kelpies and sheep dogs, he doesn't look for a dog to train until it is 6 months and then it's just play and time with sheep. And he doesn't seem to start the real training until 12 months old. So not sure about the 19 week working working dog thing. They would definitely be introduced to sheep at that age under supervision of an experienced older dog but they wouldn't be doing anything more than playing. This would also sort the sheep attackers from the sheep herders - why spend 12 months on dog food if the dog is unsuitable from the start.

    Now if I could just remember the trainer's name. I saw him interviewd by Don Burke and he denied knowing anything about training Kelpies but he's written several books on how to do it. Can't find anything on the web. Typical farm bloke. Why sit at the computer when you can be out chasing sheep. Sigh.

    Found him
    A D (Tony) Parsons
    Burke's Backyard > Fact Sheets > Australian Working Kelpie
    Awesome link. I love hearing about the true working dog side of kelpies. I wish I lived on a farm. I'd love to see Loeka with real sheep. I've seen videos of people directing dogs while herding and I'm amazed at what these dogs can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    The guy who is master of training kelpies and sheep dogs, he doesn't look for a dog to train until it is 6 months and then it's just play and time with sheep. And he doesn't seem to start the real training until 12 months old. So not sure about the 19 week working working dog thing. They would definitely be introduced to sheep at that age under supervision of an experienced older dog but they wouldn't be doing anything more than playing. This would also sort the sheep attackers from the sheep herders - why spend 12 months on dog food if the dog is unsuitable from the start.
    Top level working and trialling kelpies are a little different to the average joe workers aroud here. In more ways than the the multi thousand dollar price tag that is! Many average kelpies around here are following when they're out of the nest. They are buddied up with an older dog and go from there. They're not worked into the ground, but they are kept focussed on work and not sitting around getting into mischief.

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    We had a 3/4 kelpie x 1/4 cattle dog as a family dog and let her run until she fell over from when she was a puppy, and she lived to a fair age but could barely walk and had a great deal of trouble sitting down and getting up, and being a kelpie x - if you got up, she'd get up... it was quite sad. I often wonder if we'd been a bit more sensible about exercise when she was younger that she'd have had better joints when she was older. Like the AFL player that can barely move (without loads of drugs) when he's 40.

    But I agree, a kelpie without enough jobs to do or attention - will wear tracks in your back yard running laps by itself. This is another reason why I chose a dog that was mostly cattle dog and less obviously heeler. She likes sleeping between runs.

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