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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    1) I know it does. Books say a lot of things, but it is always up to the reader how much they believe in the end.

    2) Let her eat as much as she wants of it. When she's finished, she'll bury it to go back to when she wants it again. She is a dog, and that is what dogs do.
    Your 2nd point here DA is something I would like to know more about. If a dog is showing aggression towards someone getting too close to their bone, how will the dog react if you happen to go too close to where he buries it? Again, as you point out first up, its up to the reader how much they believe, but when you hear about dog attacks in the media, you might hear a dog handler suggest that the attack could have been triggered by the offender going too close to where they have a bone buried. If we don't know where they bury their bones, is it possible to teach them that we aren't a threat to the hiding place? I guess by training, walking them around the yard, everywhere and praise all work together in teach dogs to trust us.
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    MMM, I would not have a clue where any dogs in over 20years of living here on the farm have buried bones in the house surrounds. None have ever let on by aggression. They just like secrecy when doing it and will wait till they can not see me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mydogau View Post
    Your 2nd point here DA is something I would like to know more about. If a dog is showing aggression towards someone getting too close to their bone, how will the dog react if you happen to go too close to where he buries it? Again, as you point out first up, its up to the reader how much they believe, but when you hear about dog attacks in the media, you might hear a dog handler suggest that the attack could have been triggered by the offender going too close to where they have a bone buried. If we don't know where they bury their bones, is it possible to teach them that we aren't a threat to the hiding place? I guess by training, walking them around the yard, everywhere and praise all work together in teach dogs to trust us.
    I'll try wording it differently to make more sense, MyDog.

    I believe there is a fine line regarding a dog and their bone. Sure, every dog owner wants (and needs) to be able to remove a bone from their dog (or dog's mouth) if they so wish. That is Striker's problem. Bonnie does not want to give her bone up.
    On the same token, I also believe that a dog's bone is sacred to them, and they should be allowed to enjoy it in peace. For instance, every dog I have ever owned was taught as a pup (or young dog) to allow myself or my children to remove the bone from them in safety. However, my children were also taught that if our dog/s have a bone, leave them alone with it to enjoy.
    Does that make more sense of what I'm trying to say?

    Striker, you are not a bad owner. Perhaps we all feel like that at times when things aren't going according to our plan, but that is life. You also have a BC. They are not a dog for the faint hearted or novices, but that is just my personal opinion. Remembering back, I honestly feel this dog has been 'pushing authority' with you from the start, or at least very early on, and now it is becoming a huge problem trying to get it under control.

    Hell, if it was me I wouldn't even be giving the dog a damned bone whatsoever from now on! She'd get nothing of the sort until I had trained and trained until the stage there was no doubt in my mind that she saw me as her Master and not the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker View Post
    Ok. So to earn them, she has to do tricks/ something for me. Are you sure this will change her bone behaviour? I have tried the hold-the-bone-while-she-eats thing, but that doesn't seem to have helped. As far as the toys go, I have said that I am away from home from 7 - 3 five days a week, so how do I stop her from turning destructive? She gets an hour - hour and a half long walk daily, will this help? She doesn't heel properly, she won't fetch, I'm the worst dog owner! I can't train her right, I can't even instill the fact that I am her superior!!!
    Okay, if she doesn't heel properly, that is because she hasn't learnt properly. Can you go back to basics? How did you teach her in the first place? I take it she has NEVER heeled correctly then?
    As I say, back to basics. If you don't feel capable of doing that, enrol her and yourself in a basic obedience course in your area. That way you will get help and assistance from the trainer at a personal level. That trainer will be able to see you and Bonnie in action (wheras we can't) and will guide you how to fix it.

    Same iwth the fetch, if she's not doing it, she hasn't been taught correctly, or hasn't learnt. Needs ot go back to the start again.
    Look, IMO if a dog is NOT performing something the way you want or expect, it isn't the dog's fault - it is the owners. When we accept that, we can set about fixing it.

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    I didn't explain the heeling properly. No, she hasn't ever heeled properly, but this is (definitely) getting better. When I walk her, she doesn't pull nearly as hard as she used to. What I do is yank her leash when she pulls, stop for about 30 seconds, then start moving forward once I am sure she understands. This has improved her pulling tremendously, and she only pulls slightly now, so I am convinced that she will stop pulling altogether within a week or less. Unfortunately, I am reminded of something I said in a similar situation, to do with the bone problem..... But I am sure this will work, as obviously she is not getting defensive over a leash, now is she? I tried more 'bone training' today, she looked at me funny but said nothing. So that doesn't work with her, I should not bother with that. To give her credit though, she has improved very slightly since I gave her her first bone. Very SLIGHTLY. Not much though, I am afraid. I think I will try Devil's Advocate's plan, not giving her a bone until I am positive all through that she knows I am alpha. I would do that first thing tomorrow - if I knew how to instill it properly. Again, I worry about destruction from her because I have taken her toys away and am away for 8 hrs during the day. What will she do? She will probably chew plants and mats, something I don't want to deal with when I get home. Will the walk suffice her? And training? I sure hope so...

    P.S. with fetch she will run away looking smug and I have to chase after her and wrestle the toy off her. To her credit, she does 'drop' it when I ask. She's really good with tricks, but I guess behaviour is something to watch out for. Wish it was the other way around

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    Don't ever run after a dog and chase when you want them to bring something to YOU. You have inadvertently taught her NOT to return the item to you. Lol.

    Oh my, and don't ever wrestle the toy from your bitch, Striker. Oh God, it's becoming clearer every minute.

    I'm so glad to hear about the heeling getting better all the time. That is wonderful news! Nothing worse than a dog dragging a person down the bloody footpath.

    Um, I've missed something? WHY has she had her toys taken from her???????????????

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    because someone mentioned that I shouldn't leave toys lying around for her to chew on whenever!! I should only play with her with them, then take them away again. I was sure I saw someone say that! BTW with the fetching thing, I forgot to mention that since I read in the training book NOT to chase the dog, I have shown indifference like it said

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    Striker, I think where you got confused with the toys thing is that when you are home, YOU decide what Bonnie can play with. So in the morning leave her with some toys to keep her amused, when you get home remove them all. That way when you are doing any training with her YOU decide if she gets a ball, a tug toy etc.

    Does that make sense?

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    When you are at work...toys are fine...when you are at home...toys belong to you...should be taken away and given when you feel like it!

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    Oh I see. Perhaps we all need to be more literal with our advice.

    You are at work for a long time. Bonnie cannot be expected to stay at home with nothing to play with or do. There go your potplants, gardens, lawn and anything else, which is fair enough as she'll be bored ****less!

    With he toys, once you are home etc, YOU decide whether you play with her, or she gets a toy to play with herself. YOU start a game and YOU finish it. NOT the other way around, Striker.

    Yeah, if she bolts off with the toy and does not return to you when you have called her, well you also need to go back to basics and start teaching her correct recall (coming when called immediately every time.) Certainly ignore her and walk off until then, that way you have closed the game, so to speak, not her.

    Bonnie is perhaps challenging you in lots of ways, but from what I can figure out she has accidentally and unfortunately been allowed to learn HOW to challenge. Keep working on it - there is a great dog at the end of the tunnel.

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