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    Well, mostly she is facing away from me, or if she's not, she will continue growling while eating the bone. However, the 'me eating the bone' thing has helped heaps, I can even put it in front of her after eating it and she won't touch it. However, if I am standing up, and then put the bone in front of her, she will normally take it ( and I use growling as an alternative to constantly saying 'no, my bone' - I find it works a lot better, probably because it is in her language, not mine). If I try to pull the bone away, she growls harder, if I try to pull her away, the mouth comes open. As for the eye contact, I will always instinctively hold eye contact with my dogs, and sometimes (no laughing) people if I am in a confrontation. It happened with the rawhide chew the other day! I was very surprised, because she never did this before with a chew, but she may have figured out it was food and not a toy. But back to the topic, if I am standing up, she doesn't take me as seriously as when I am on all fours, growling at her. What should I do with this annoying obstacle?

    p.s. Devil's Advocate: what does raw meat taste like?

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    Hmmm, bit of a problem, isn't it?

    Gald to hear about the eye contact thing, too. I wouldn't laugh re using it for a confrontation with humans. Know exactly what you mean. I too find it works at times, especially when you are sure someone is lying to you! Lol.

    Her food each night, what do you feed her? Do you place it in her bowl and pop it onto the floor and let her go for it until it's all eaten?

    PS: It tastes a hell of a lot better than when it is cooked.
    Off-topic I know, but I once went to a restaurant with my eldest brother (many decades ago) whom I don't like at all. When the waiter asked me how I would like my steak, I told him "just pull out the horns, wipe it's arse and that will do me just fine, thanks." My brother didn't talk to me for sooo long - it was great!

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    hehe I may try that one day . As far as her food is concerned, I feed her Iams Puppy food. The interesting thing with her food is that when I feed her, I have trained her to not eat something unless I say she can have it, because recently in our area there have been a number of people poisoning dogs with baited meat for no apparent reason. I would trust her with it (yet), but if I am there next to her and I throw a bone/chew to her (or put her food down),I make her sit, and she will not eat it unless I tell her she can. She wants to badly though, with the way she looks at it lol. But yes, I do let her eat it all. She's alright with me taking it away/ patting her, but there's no reason for her to growl at me, because it's just a plate of dog food, right? Also with the bone, I pat her regularly (usually about every thirty seconds) and she won't growl. She even let me take it away without growling at me, but I saw her go stiff. Still, a huge improvement from when I first gave her the bone.

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    Well well. Today I let Bonnie and Lou down the front (front yard), with access to the whole yard. We were doing a massive clean up (), so weren't watching them that closely. Unfortunately, I had given them each a chew or bone before, but forgot to take Lou's away again ( she leaves it lying around when she's done). Bonnie got a hold of it and brought it down the front. Again, I had the glare, but she let me come toward her. I didn't notice this until I reached down to pat her, which she rewarded me with a hearty growl. I quickly snatched the bone from her and stalked off, much to my embarrassment ( the neighbours were watching). I managed to score a point though, because I didn't wait lone enough for fear to build up (in me), so she didn't sense that and therefore growled a little less threateningly (although only a little). She carried on snarling for 3 seconds after I had taken the bone off her, the full set, growls, snarls and jaws wide open. Well I thought I had made some headway in this section, but evidently not. As you can imagine, I am very disappointed in her and with myself for not training her hard enough, although I did think a long daily session was a good start, especially since I can drop a bone in front of her ans she won't touch it. Also, in food training I will give her a bone, then while holding it allow her to eat some. Sometimes I drop the bone and let her eat it (through command), while patting her and even gaining enough trust to pull the bone away (but then give it back). I don't know if I have not tried hard enough,if she interprets the training a different way, or what. Can somebody please tell me what I am doing WRONG!?!

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    Okay Striker, this is not good, as you are already aware! I'm going to be really blunt - if any dog I owned ever did that to me, the full growls, snarls, jaws open I wouldn't be effing around, I tell you.
    TBH your Bonnie has shown some aggressive traits over a range of issues, and I really don't like the sound of it.

    I'm hoping like hell some others will ome in here and give some advice too, because there is only one single bloody thing I would do now to deal with this...

    NILIF. And I mean NILIF literally!

    You feed her kibble/biscuit for her meals right? Ever single little piece of kibble, is to be fed from you. Every single item of food, everything she gets is to be given by your hand. ONE PIECE AT A TIME. Yep it's extreme, yep it's time-consuming, and yep it's a damned pain up the arse - but this is serious Striker and must be stopped NOW. I would rather go through the hassle of NILIF for as long as it takes for her to get the message loud and clear, then to see the alternative that I'm seeing down the track.

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    She is not to have toys lying around just to play with when she feels like it...she is to earn EVERY single amount of tiny bit of kibble NILIF...NILIF...NILIF!

    No pats unless it is earned...no attention unless it is earned...NO NOTHING!!!

    You initiate the games...you stop them! You decide when to eat...play...walk...sh!t...everything!


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    Ok. Well starting out, her toys are always lying around. Step 1 - remove. A problem here is that I am away from 7 - 3 everyday except the weekend, what should I do here? What do you mean earned? does she have to do tricks, or what? Just a bit unclear on that.

    BTW the general aggression has stopped altogether, she's been really good on that. Also, she doesn't fetch for me (or anyone). Will this be a problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker View Post
    Ok. Well starting out, her toys are always lying around. Step 1 - remove. A problem here is that I am away from 7 - 3 everyday except the weekend, what should I do here? What do you mean earned? does she have to do tricks, or what? Just a bit unclear on that.

    BTW the general aggression has stopped altogether, she's been really good on that. Also, she doesn't fetch for me (or anyone). Will this be a problem?
    NO...the general aggression hasn't stopped...she just did it with the bone!!! Trust me...that was very serious!

    She must earn...by that I mean...I don't care if you make her sit, stay, drop, fetch, jump through hoops, play dead, heel etc...she WILL earn every piece of food offered. ALL toys belong to YOU...period. She has to earn them and when she has been allowed to play with them...YOU take them away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    NO...the general aggression hasn't stopped...she just did it with the bone!!! Trust me...that was very serious!

    She must earn...by that I mean...I don't care if you make her sit, stay, drop, fetch, jump through hoops, play dead, heel etc...she WILL earn every piece of food offered. ALL toys belong to YOU...period. She has to earn them and when she has been allowed to play with them...YOU take them away!
    Cleas is correct Striker! I have highlighted it - the general aggression has NOT stopped.

    Cleas has spelled it out really well IMO. NILIF means Nothing In Life Is Free. Whether you like it or not, you are not Bonnie's master/leader in her eyes. This must change asap, or you have the potential for a very dangerous situation on your hands, whether you can see it yet or not. I'm sorry, but that is clear as day to me.

    NILIF - Literally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Ok. So to earn them, she has to do tricks/ something for me. Are you sure this will change her bone behaviour? I have tried the hold-the-bone-while-she-eats thing, but that doesn't seem to have helped. As far as the toys go, I have said that I am away from home from 7 - 3 five days a week, so how do I stop her from turning destructive? She gets an hour - hour and a half long walk daily, will this help? She doesn't heel properly, she won't fetch, I'm the worst dog owner! I can't train her right, I can't even instill the fact that I am her superior!!!

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