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    I'm so sorry you had a bad experience Angela. Are there any other puppy preschools near you? Could you change to somewhere else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela's Gone Batty View Post
    Well, Batty and I went to his first ever puppy pre school session last night. It was very cute seeing some of the puppies playing, but the lady in charge didn't seem to take much notice of what was actually going on until it got to the point of puppies yelping and running away, that's my first annoyance.

    I'm only going there for the socialisation aspect in all honesty but I got told off for stopping another dog from pinning down mine and biting his head (dangerously close to his eyes).

    The feeding information annoyed me a bit, they kept pushing the highly processed 'premium' foods they stock at the vets (which I was expecting).

    Batty got over-excited and started nipping at hands, so the vet nurse told everyone to make a high pitched yelping noise... That turned it into a game for him and he got worse. I corrected him when he bit me and he didn't bite another hand, I was taken aside after the class to be given a reprimand for treating my puppy like that.... The correction was simple, one hand around muzzle, a very firm no, then release.

    I was also told that crating Batty at night is cruelty and he should have the run of the house. My response was "So you're telling me that having Batty safe in his crate with fresh water, his teddy that he sleeps with and a chew for his teeth is more cruel than allowing him the run of the house every night and waking up to toilets all over the house, items being chewed up, not to mention the dangers of him choking on something, breaking a limb or injuring himself in some way?"

    Needless to say the vet nurse quickly back tracked.

    My hint or tip for the night.... Don't believe everything your vet nurse tells you, do your own research and make decisions for yourself. You will know if you are being cruel or not.
    I am going to say this....is the Puppy trainer a "Delta Society" trainer?

    Look...we took Ruby to puppy preschool. The lady was a Delta Trainer. Their beliefs are...rewards good behaviour...ignore bad behaviour. Sorry to say this, but it doesn't always cut the mustard. Teeth on humans is NOT allowed and must be dealt with immediately. I am not saying you have to belt your dog and be cruel...but "cute" nipping can easily become not so cute.

    We took Ruby there for socialisation (since she IS an SBT and needed it)...but the pups were never allowed to run freely and/or interact...so waste of $120.

    I will NEVER EVER again deal with ANY Delta Trainers...just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    I am going to say this....is the Puppy trainer a "Delta Society" trainer?

    Look...we took Ruby to puppy preschool. The lady was a Delta Trainer. Their beliefs are...rewards good behaviour...ignore bad behaviour. Sorry to say this, but it doesn't always cut the mustard. Teeth on humans is NOT allowed and must be dealt with immediately. I am not saying you have to belt your dog and be cruel...but "cute" nipping can easily become not so cute.

    We took Ruby there for socialisation (since she IS an SBT and needed it)...but the pups were never allowed to run freely and/or interact...so waste of $120.

    I will NEVER EVER again deal with ANY Delta Trainers...just my opinion.
    Not a Delta Trainer AFAIK. Just believes purely positive is the only way to go. Funnily enough I had people coming up to me after the session asking me about crates and crate training!

    This one only cost $80 and is at the vet nearby. They aren't my vet, but they are the only one in the area that does puppy preschool. (Cate, can't change sadly, but it's ok, I have a real chance to encourage some people to research the breeds they have)

    The puppies are allowed off to play in pairs, Batty didn't seem to like this idea, he went around and had a little play with everyone He was very taken with the stunning English Staffy girl called Scarlet next to us and she was very taken with him. It was rather adorable!

    ETA: I won't be dealing with Delta Trainers either. How does the dog learn what is wrong when there is no consequence for bad behaviour? The way I'm dealing with Batty works, I tell him firmly no when he's doing the wrong thing when he stops and looks at me I give him a chance to do something right and get rewarded. It works for him and for me, plus he has clear boundaries. Ignoring him doesn't work, yelping if he nips doesn't work, it only excites him further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela's Gone Batty View Post
    Well, Batty and I went to his first ever puppy pre school session last night. It was very cute seeing some of the puppies playing, but the lady in charge didn't seem to take much notice of what was actually going on until it got to the point of puppies yelping and running away, that's my first annoyance.

    I'm only going there for the socialisation aspect in all honesty but I got told off for stopping another dog from pinning down mine and biting his head (dangerously close to his eyes).

    The feeding information annoyed me a bit, they kept pushing the highly processed 'premium' foods they stock at the vets (which I was expecting).

    Batty got over-excited and started nipping at hands, so the vet nurse told everyone to make a high pitched yelping noise... That turned it into a game for him and he got worse. I corrected him when he bit me and he didn't bite another hand, I was taken aside after the class to be given a reprimand for treating my puppy like that.... The correction was simple, one hand around muzzle, a very firm no, then release.

    I was also told that crating Batty at night is cruelty and he should have the run of the house. My response was "So you're telling me that having Batty safe in his crate with fresh water, his teddy that he sleeps with and a chew for his teeth is more cruel than allowing him the run of the house every night and waking up to toilets all over the house, items being chewed up, not to mention the dangers of him choking on something, breaking a limb or injuring himself in some way?"

    Needless to say the vet nurse quickly back tracked.

    My hint or tip for the night.... Don't believe everything your vet nurse tells you, do your own research and make decisions for yourself. You will know if you are being cruel or not.
    My Mum is like that. I was all for crate training but Mum's like: "its cruel, I wont have Dora in a little cage" and even when I tried to explain it, she didnt listen. I know she is my mother, but sometimes she needs to know whats best for the dog - and the house: I dont think the wooden floors can stand any more poo.
    See, Dora doesnt poo in the yard. She prefers the floors or the carpets. I have NO idea how to solve this.
    Dora sleeps in my room with the door closed since the cat has free roam of the house at night, and they can get a little rough
    Dora is quickly learning the 'leave him alone!' command.

    And I also disagree with ignoring bad behaviour. Whenever Dora gets mouthy I give her a firm tap on the nose saying NO and she backs off quickly. ANd promptly tries again a few seconds later. I might try the whole grabbing the muzzle approach though, it seems to be working

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masha View Post
    My Mum is like that. I was all for crate training but Mum's like: "its cruel, I wont have Dora in a little cage" and even when I tried to explain it, she didnt listen. I know she is my mother, but sometimes she needs to know whats best for the dog - and the house: I dont think the wooden floors can stand any more poo.
    See, Dora doesnt poo in the yard. She prefers the floors or the carpets. I have NO idea how to solve this.
    Dora sleeps in my room with the door closed since the cat has free roam of the house at night, and they can get a little rough
    Dora is quickly learning the 'leave him alone!' command.

    And I also disagree with ignoring bad behaviour. Whenever Dora gets mouthy I give her a firm tap on the nose saying NO and she backs off quickly. ANd promptly tries again a few seconds later. I might try the whole grabbing the muzzle approach though, it seems to be working
    A tap on the nose turns it into a game with Batty, he backs up, barks three times and bolts in for another go. I grab his muzzle, gently but firmly say NO in a firm voice - not loud though. I also get up and walk away for 5 minutes, so the fun stops because Batty has bitten me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela's Gone Batty View Post
    A tap on the nose turns it into a game with Batty, he backs up, barks three times and bolts in for another go. I grab his muzzle, gently but firmly say NO in a firm voice - not loud though. I also get up and walk away for 5 minutes, so the fun stops because Batty has bitten me.
    Yep. Im pretty sure Dora thinks its a game too.
    How long have you had him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masha View Post
    Yep. Im pretty sure Dora thinks its a game too.
    How long have you had him?
    Not quite 3 weeks - I can't believe it's only 2 and a bit weeks though! We picked him up on the 28th December.

    He's just shy of 12 weeks old. We picked him up the day he turned 9 weeks old!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela's Gone Batty View Post
    Not quite 3 weeks - I can't believe it's only 2 and a bit weeks though! We picked him up on the 28th December.

    He's just shy of 12 weeks old. We picked him up the day he turned 9 weeks old!
    I got Dora on the 2nd, so that means I've had her for 12 days now. We got her at 13 weeks, and the breeder never socialised her with anyone at all (weird since the breeder was gonna keep her but decided not to when we inquired about her) so Doras having lots of trouble socialising. But shes getting better.
    Dora's 15 this Saturday. I kinda wish we had gotten an 8 week old pup though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masha View Post
    I got Dora on the 2nd, so that means I've had her for 12 days now. We got her at 13 weeks, and the breeder never socialised her with anyone at all (weird since the breeder was gonna keep her but decided not to when we inquired about her) so Doras having lots of trouble socialising. But shes getting better.
    Dora's 15 this Saturday. I kinda wish we had gotten an 8 week old pup though.
    I have a policy. No regrets! She is all yours and even though you are having some problems with socialisation remember she is only 14 weeks old and she has years to get better, just encourage her gently along and let her come out of her shell in her own time.

    ETA: BTW, Batty wasn't actually the puppy hubby and I picked, the rescue group gave us the wrong one. I couldn't be happier though, Batty is a bit more dominant than I would have liked BUT that's not an issue for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela's Gone Batty View Post
    I have a policy. No regrets! She is all yours and even though you are having some problems with socialisation remember she is only 14 weeks old and she has years to get better, just encourage her gently along and let her come out of her shell in her own time.

    ETA: BTW, Batty wasn't actually the puppy hubby and I picked, the rescue group gave us the wrong one. I couldn't be happier though, Batty is a bit more dominant than I would have liked BUT that's not an issue for us.
    Very true, no regret. But trust me, when I was standing outside my house for an hour, waiting for her to realize that we're gonna walk NO MATTER WHAT, I had regrets... it was absolutely freezing and I didn't think to wear a jacket.
    But that was the only time, and when I think about how in two short weeks I've never being happier, I just throw it all out. She'll get better

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