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    Maybe I am nieve as I have never had bitches on heat but if I had, I would have thought that a 6ft fence topped with wire would be secure.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    Nah Di. An entire male dog is like a rampaging bull when he can smell a bitch in heat. But also, bitches in heat can be just as keen to get 'out and about' at that time, too, believe me. Lol.

    Bitches in heat really must be in a VERY secure enclosure (and I do mean houdini proof) if they are not inside the house or with someone ALL of the time throughout their season.

    Obviously, for some having a bitch inside is not preferable due to the obvious blood issues on couches, carpets etc. But leaving a bitch in a yard outdoors with no-one home for a huge majority of the time is simply an accident waiting to happen, regardless of the height of fencing etc.

    One would ask Judge perhaps under what circumstances her bitch was impreganted the first time?

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    You can judge me all you please Cleasanta and I do not expect you to agree with what I am doing ..... and for this reason I will no longer be posting. This is not your fault Clea its my own for being naive enough to think that writing things without being able to express my emotions would be sufficient enough for people (not just you) to understand.

    Firstly I was going on what the vet suggested! and I had also spoken to many experts regarding Mully's aggression issues (which may I add was due to an incident of being beaten by her previous owner with a metal pole) I was doing what I thought was right for my dog.

    She was in a secure area, not able to be accessed by either digging or jumping (I was unaware that my next door neighbours dog had chewed out the corner section of my wire proof (top section only) yard)

    I do not keep her inside as SHE will not stay inside, to the extend where I have come home to find the entire bottom half of my back door chewed out!

    It was my personal choice to not get Bailey desexed until recently however she IS an inside dog and unless supervised is never in the presence of a male.

    NONE (im in contact with 4 out of 5 pup owners) of the pups from her last litter have shown ANY SIGN OF AGGRESSION however I am not saying that this will not occur.

    I will be advertising the pups as Am Staff X's however as I did last time, each person that came to enquire about the litter was informed of her breed and what this meant for both them and the pup if they chose to take it on.

    Im not sure if I have covered all of the questions you asked but hopefully this will suffice as this has been a very long post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    One would ask Judge perhaps under what circumstances her bitch was impreganted the first time?
    She was pregnant when I got her

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    Oh dear Judge, you have not had an easy time of this, have you.

    Look, I wouldn't worry too much about what anyone thinks, including me. I'm not in your shoes, am I??? None of us are. It's easy to judge when we're not in the same boat. It's honourable to accept when someone is in that boat, and help all we can for the future so it doesn't happen again.

    Thank you for answering all my questions so thoroughly, BTW. It is appreciated.

    Also Judge, I remember that we are all human, therefore we all make mistakes sooner or later. Keep your chin up and get through this one the best you can IMO, but after that forget the experts, she really does need to be de-sexed.

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    Someone beat her with a metal pole? Ah yep, lots of sick bastards out there. *sigh*

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    Judge, keep posting please. Someone here still has me on ignore as they think I am totally irresponsible and could have prevented what happened even though she was not my dog and lived on another property and I took over when it was obvious and too late to abort. lol...people can and will think what they want to.

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    JTBNTD, honest questions.
    1. Did she have two litters, two heats in a row?
    2. How long did your vet say to wait before she got de-sexed?
    3. How did you acquire the dog?
    4. How old is she?

    It is your fault, but you are no more responsible for this litter than the owner of the Staffy.
    As for not likeing to be in the house, I know what you mean, my Kelpie in the same. But there are always options. How do you think every other breeder manages to not have a litter every heat? Especially dog and bitch under the same roof. These 8 puppies are possibly taking the homes of 8 other puppies already born and in shelters. But im sure you already know that and Im not gonna lecture you.
    Education not Legislation

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    Ah, but Myf, you already DID lecture! Lol. We throw a lecture out there, only to add that we won't lecture, though. Too funny. Kind of like when we say 'I mean no offence' when we start a sentence, cause we know that what we are about to say is probably very offensive. PMSL.
    I think the Judge by now has learnt - how could she not with us all pounding her!!!

    Di, someone has you on ignore??? Seriously???

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeTheDeedNotTheBreed View Post
    I will be advertising the pups as Am Staff X's however as I did last time, each person that came to enquire about the litter was informed of her breed and what this meant for both them and the pup if they chose to take it on.
    I want to point out I think BSL s*cks to say it mild!

    I wonder what you told the people who enquired about your puppies from the first litter. What information did you give them?

    The reasons for my questions are:

    1. Were you not as ignorant as me regarding unregistered AmStaffs being classified as Pitt Bulls - a prescribed breed in SA?

    2. You started the thread Bsl?????...wasn't that to gain information regarding BSL in your state, because you didn't know the Laws?

    As it stands...you own a prescribed breed. Whether we like it or not...the Law is in place. I do not believe in attacking certain breeds! But I sure as hell do not believe in breeding with them either.

    If you didn't know about the BSL Laws in your state...the "Pitt Bull" tag your bitch (and now her pups) have hanging over their head...the restrictions that comes with owning a prescribed breed...what possible info could you have given the buyers of puppies from your first litter?

    Did they know upfront that their puppies was classified as a prescribed breed in SA? Did they know the harsh penalties which could arise from owning a prescribed breed? Where they told not to register their puppies as AmStaff X, because that is the same as saying they are Pitt Bulls and could put the pup's life at risk?

    Ultimately...breeding from a prescribed breed is endagering the lives of the pups. It is putting a lot of worry and strain onto the owners! Any prescribed breed MUST be desexed (even though I can't see there is an age barrier attached to the statement), but I would maybe think it is before they age of 6 months?!?...correct me if I am wrong! You are not allowed to advertise the sale of these puppies...you are not allowed to sell them or give them away!!!

    I am trying to see this from your point of view. Lets say it was the SBT that had the prescribed breed hanging over their head. I wouldn't dare breed with them! I would be too afraid that when people came to see the pups...if one of the buyers were a Council worker/ranger out to track down unregistered "Pitt Bull like" dogs/bitches!

    I wouldn't be able to look people in the eye and tell them that it will be "OK" as long as you don't sell, don't breed and don't give away this dog...as long as you keep it muzzled in public, make sure it is desexed....keep it in a safe enclosure and physically restrained at all times! New owner will be in constant fear of someone dobbing them in to the Council for owning a Pitt Bull like dog!

    What sort of bloody life is THAT for a dog!!!!! In the end...who pays the ultimate price for this...the freaking dog does...with its life!!!!!

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