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    missed the bit about, never mind.

    You can get the contraceptive pill for bitches that you don't want to breed right now or not with the locally available dogs. Ask your vet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    Come on guys, we are here to educate and share. People don't automatically know stuff like this, and it's soooo much better that they seek out answers rather than muddle along on their own.

    Inbreeding is not all bad. The biggest case for this is the Arabian horse. Closely bred for millennia and one of the toughest and healthiest breeds around - not to mention beautiful. Their genetic prepotence is so powerful it has been used to positively influence almost every other breed of horse in the world.

    But you need to consider their background to fully understand the issue. They come from a harsh background where survival of the fittest is an absolute rule. There is no food, water, time or inclination to nurture sickly animals. Sound harsh? You bet.

    But what that means is that the effect of inbreeding is constantly doubling up on a securely healthy and proven base.

    This base is what we are often lacking in modern dog breeds. We do nurture sickly individuals, which is fine from a welfare point of view. But to breed on from them is a no-no. But it happens. Why? Because we are breeding for our own reasons and not necessarily theirs. We are breeding for beauty, for ability, for sentimentaility, etc etc etc - the list goes on.

    Dogs have no concept of incest. Incest is a human term born of morals and ethics. That's great, they are what society is based upon. But dogs are not people. Inbreeding can and does happen in the wild, in any and all mammal species. But again, there is no room for weakness or sickness so close breedings that show a health fault tend to end with nothing further as those animals don't reach breeding age.

    Remeber - inbreeding is a concentration of genetic material, and nothing more. But it concentrates the good as well as the bad, and reveals what can be hidden...
    Got that right Nattylou! I am the proud owner of the most beautiful and sweet natured Arabian mare!! Sorry a bit off topic, but I get excited when both my loves (dogs and horses) are mentioned in the same forum!!

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    Off Topic again ( its ok Nat , I believe the OP has moved onto another forum where he hears exactly what he wants to hear)


    Re the Arabians.
    Yep dead right re the genepools etc....but one also must keep in mind the extremes some people goto in search of those perfect traits that are hidden.
    We were involved in the breed for the better part of 20 years and only health and economic faults forced me out of them.

    The 'good' gene pools are getting smaller and smaller unfortunately and fashion and money are taking over . So many have jumped on the bandwagon and are breeding for 'type' rather than function.
    I have watched this impede some of the wonderful bloodlines we have in the Country with sadness and regret. The line breeding along one prolific blood group in particular has seen a complete divergance from the original family of horses , the horses claiming 3/4 close up crosses to this line no longer exhibit any of the traits that made this line so superior in the first place.

    I guess I have rambled but at the end of the day , whilst I believe line breeding has a very important place amongst us , I feel that taking that to extremes ,like son over daughter for example , is not helping at all and should be discouraged.
    First and foremost the Arabian should be a tough,functional little horse who is also beautiful .Not a china horse that needs to be wrapped in cotton wool.

    Within the dogs , I can not see how such a close line breeding would be beneficial to a breed? Unless of course both of those individuals are perfect. And then if thats the case then why not just repeat the original mating ?

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    But see? That's what I mean about the Arabians. Nowadays the harsh environment and strict selection of breeding stock is gone. There is no longer an intolerance of weak and sickly individuals in breeding programs.

    Nurturing the weak is lovely, it's a human gift. But we all know better than to breed on from that - but we let our greed for money or fame or prizes override that common sense.

    And yes, the Arabian's once famous health, stamina and eventually and inevitably it's beauty will fail as a result. Perhaps in some far reaching corners of the desert the strength with outlive the greed.

    I once read a great article on the Borzoi from the late part of the nineteenth century when the breed was in serious decline and quality had been lost to greed and personal preferences. One man took a journey on sleigh and foot - and whatever else he had to do - across Russia in search of remaining hidden and great kennels which had passed into legend. And he found them. So the breed lives on today.



    Edit to add - one of my hounds is very closely bred. And while she is not the sharpest tool in the shed she is a phenomenal huntress - her function after all - and is beautiful and exceptionally healthy.

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    No. My advice is to desex them both and you will then have two happy boofs.

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    OK that's it.
    I've just about had enough of you and your silly little phrases and few words.You are only trolling for customers ,hoping some of us will click your links.

    Twit.




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    I think I will now try out the "ignore" feature. I don't want dvd box sets anyway.

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