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    Is it possible to report known backyard breeders to authorities?

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    Not as such, but then again, there are a few things that can come into play, BR.

    For instance, it depends on which state/area one lives in as to how many dogs the council allows a person to legally have on their property. In Qld it was 2. Here in Tas it is 2. In other states i think some areas allow 3 or even 4. If people are breeding and have more than the allocated amount, yeah, at least they can be dobbed into council authorities for not having a kennel licence.

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    I know, that's what I'm confused about.. again, pardon the beginnerisms but it seems like there's a lack of insentive to go through the processes be a proper, registered breeder if any old idiot can just sell dogs from thier own backyard without legal penalties :S

    If the nation was serious, backyard breeding would be illegal, and not only that, responsible breeders should have already de-sexed the dogs prior to selling them. Am I right to say that?

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    There is far more to breeding dogs than meets the eye, if breeders, and I am one, did not charge for pups, the rarer the breed the more we charge, then there would be no puppy farms, there would be the careless backyarders but not those after money alone.

    If you have read about the BBC doco on pedigree dogs exposed, do not think that only applies to England, unfortunately among all our good breeders on both the registered with ANKC group and the back yard group there are those who are just plain bad.

    If the ANKC bodies were given the monopoly they seek, you would be paying thousands of dollars, literally, for puppies, who in some cases would be less thrifty over all than many of the BYB pups are, sorry state of affairs but this is the way it is..

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    My sons have working pig hunting dogs. These dogs genarally are a mix of breeds used in breeding for well defined purposes. There are a few strains that have been consistently producing to type such as the Bull Arab and many crosses who have shown their worth out hunting. Recently one of my sons needed some new dogs as two of his were retired due to age. His Wolfound cross bitch was served by a Wolfhound cross Bull Arab stud for that purpose. Both dogs were specially chosen for type and temperament and produced an excellent litter of nine healthy and robust pups. These pups all went to working and pet homes. Hunters will always breed their dogs as they have a specific purpose no longer found in field dogs today. My own fave breed, the Great Dane, is no longer the Boar Hound it was originally bred to be... its now the Gentle Giant. (Indeed Id say that most purebred field and working breeds rarely are actively engaged these days for the reason they were so painstakingly bred originally .) There will always be a need for hunting dogs while ever feral pigs exist here and these dogs will be bred carefully by their owners for this specific purpose and believe me these breeders dont really care whether or not they are approved by any state kennel controllong body.

    The reality is there are good and bad BYB..thats plain...I certainly dont condemn all BYBers..not all are in it solely to cash in on the demand for various "oodles" That is a despicable approach and likewise puppy farmers....scum of the earth. But there are many people like my sons who will never be interested in recognition by Kennel Clubs but will continue to produce great dogs for specific purposes being careful to use parents with no inherant health issues and stable reliable temperaments.

    Heres one of the litter..went to a working home...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    My sons have working pig hunting dogs. These dogs genarally are a mix of breeds used in breeding for well defined purposes. There are a few strains that have been consistently producing to type such as the Bull Arab and many crosses who have shown their worth out hunting. Recently one of my sons needed some new dogs as two of his were retired due to age. His Wolfound cross bitch was served by a Wolfhound cross Bull Arab stud for that purpose. Both dogs were specially chosen for type and temperament and produced an excellent litter of nine healthy and robust pups. These pups all went to working and pet homes. Hunters will always breed their dogs as they have a specific purpose no longer found in field dogs today. My own fave breed, the Great Dane, is no longer the Boar Hound it was originally bred to be... its now the Gentle Giant. (Indeed Id say that most purebred field and working breeds rarely are actively engaged these days for the reason they were so painstakingly bred originally .) There will always be a need for hunting dogs while ever feral pigs exist here and these dogs will be bred carefully by their owners for this specific purpose and believe me these breeders dont really care whether or not they are approved by any state kennel controllong body.

    The reality is there are good and bad BYB..thats plain...I certainly dont condemn all BYBers..not all are in it solely to cash in on the demand for various "oodles" That is a despicable approach and likewise puppy farmers....scum of the earth. But there are many people like my sons who will never be interested in recognition by Kennel Clubs but will continue to produce great dogs for specific purposes being careful to use parents with no inherant health issues and stable reliable temperaments.


    Heres one of the litter..went to a working home...


    Does your BYB son have health test papers to prove that he's dogs are clear of any genetic health issues ???????????


    & there's also such thing as a GUN.. clean shot instant kill, no torture to any feral animal or native animal by being ripped apart by dogs... bloody horrible way for any animal to die... even more disgusting is that dogs are trained to slaughter another animal.. ( wonder how many innocent native OZ animals are senselessly slaughtered by "pig dogs" ??????? ) ...... i know i wouldn't put my kids, my dogs or myself near any "hunting dog" & i will never trust any type of hunting dog regardless of it's breed...

    No BYB in my opinion is any bloody good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Floyd View Post
    Does your BYB son have health test papers to prove that he's dogs are clear of any genetic health issues ???????????


    & there's also such thing as a GUN.. clean shot instant kill, no torture to any feral animal or native animal by being ripped apart by dogs... bloody horrible way for any animal to die... even more disgusting is that dogs are trained to slaughter another animal.. ( wonder how many innocent native OZ are senselessly slaughtered by "pig dogs" ??????? ) ...... i know i would put my kids, my dogs or myself near any "hunting dog" & i will never trust any type of hunting dog regardless of it's breed...

    No BYB in my opinion is any bloody good.
    *sigh* and wholeheartedly agreed with.

    hats the guarantee that some of this litter won't end up at the pound? Or maybe some of their offspring. No matter which way you look at it, your son is a byb and by DOG I for one would so love to see this stamped out.

    Just to reinforce my thoughts.....Were your sons dogs vaccinated, wormed microchipped, desexed and had some basic training before they left him? If so he has done everything in his power to ensure these pups will have a good future, if not, well the likelihood of such a mixed breed being saved by a rescue group if it should end up in the pound is diminishing.
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    Quite a difficult read. I notice lots of references to someone called Anne but don't see any posts from Anne which made it a bit difficult to read.

    Anyway, my 2 cents worth.

    I have a problem with puppy millers, and I have a semi problem with BYBers (whether they be registered purebred breeders or breeders of mutt).

    At the end of the day there is a demand for small cute cross bred mutts (I have one and love her to bits - could happily have 5 like her) so that is why they are being bred. I don't think that's really an issue. If people want to buy a small cute mutt from a home where they can meet the parents and check temperament and meet the breeders etc, then they should be able to.

    However, I do think anyone considering breeding any dogs (mutt or pure) should have the relevant health testing done for the breed or breeds as the case may be to ensure the puppies are as sound as possible. I think noone should breed from a dog with a miserable temperament. And all breeders should do their research first.

    I do have a big fat problem with the BYB breeders who pump out litter after litter from their "pet" and charge big bucks for it.

    Overall, I am anti any idiot irresponsible breeder regardless of whether they breed pures or mutts, and I am happy for any responsible breeder who puts the welfare of their dogs and their health first to breed regardless of whether it is pure or a mutt.

    People wont like that opinion and I am fine with that.

    Just for the record though, I have had a few friends as first time puppy buyers and every time I have recommended they get a purebred (can't follow my own advice though, I have only ever had mutts LOL)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    At the end of the day there is a demand for small cute cross bred mutts (I have one and love her to bits - could happily have 5 like her) so that is why they are being bred. I don't think that's really an issue. If people want to buy a small cute mutt from a home where they can meet the parents and check temperament and meet the breeders etc, then they should be able to.

    However, I do think anyone considering breeding any dogs (mutt or pure) should have the relevant health testing done for the breed or breeds as the case may be to ensure the puppies are as sound as possible. I think noone should breed from a dog with a miserable temperament. And all breeders should do their research first.

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    Trouble is most people who breed their cute mutts dont do health checks and think they are a quick trip to the vet for a clean bill of heath. It would probably be hard to decide what to test for if the dog is form different breeds with breed specific issues and what happens if you dont know all the breeds that make up the crossbreed. My friend but a cute mutt and he had a lovely temperament but she had to euthanaise him at age 4 due to
    major genetic health issues, severe dysplasia and eye problems. Very heartbreaking.

    My mum had a very cute crossbreed, beautiful temperament but all sorts of health issues as well.

    Obviously issues occur in purebreds as well, but from a truly ethical breeder the chances would be less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    Trouble is most people who breed their cute mutts dont do health checks and think they are a quick trip to the vet for a clean bill of heath. It would probably be hard to decide what to test for if the dog is form different breeds with breed specific issues and what happens if you dont know all the breeds that make up the crossbreed. My friend but a cute mutt and he had a lovely temperament but she had to euthanaise him at age 4 due to
    major genetic health issues, severe dysplasia and eye problems. Very heartbreaking.

    My mum had a very cute crossbreed, beautiful temperament but all sorts of health issues as well.

    Obviously issues occur in purebreds as well, but from a truly ethical breeder the chances would be less.
    How would it be hard to health check? Often both parents are purebreds, you would just test each breed for their own issues or test any crosses for issues with the breeds in it (providing you knew obviously and if you didnt, you shouldnt breed them if you cant do the health checks)

    I am sorry to hear about your families dogs, thats awful. I have never really had a bad breeding health issue with my mutts, or know anyone who has had any. In fact, the only issues I have ever heard of with people I know (two) were with purebreds (staffy with chronic skin problems and a GR with hip displaysia). Not that I am saying cross breeds are healthier at all, that has just been my experience thus far.

    I understand most BYB don't health check and that comes under an irresponsible breeder obviously.

    I'm not saying I think everyone should go out and start breeding mutts at all....I personally, just dont have a problem with it if it is done properly and responsibly (the same as a purebred breeder).

    This is often interpretted as my promoting cross breeding, which is not the case. I always recommend people to get a purebred from someone responsible but I just also dont have a problem with responsible cross breeders (of which there probably arent many, but they are around)

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