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    AJane - I would be interested to hear more about the surgery too as I assumed that any messing around with the genitals would mess around with hormones?

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    This is the best paper to start with - it summarizes most of the other research and gives the pros and cons on both sides. It does forget to mention that bitches have ovariohysterectomy (removal of uterine horns and ovaries) and ovarioectomy (removal of the ovaries only) as options - but either way the removal of the ovaries is the main issue.

    http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf

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    thanks - will read it a bit later

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    Anne - It appears that you may have missed this earlier post - again - for your benefit....

    http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf

    I was however of the opinion that the forum existed for the sharing of information...

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    It does AJane - thanks for your perspective - will be insteresting to add new info to the arsenal.

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    If you were in fact capable of sentient understanding then you would have not attacked me in the first place. You are clearly a dominant not able to accept sentient conversation or discussion......

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    Thanks for the read Aussie Floyd and everyone else you posted useful things! I never even thought about a lot of these things.

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    Whoops that was the other thread! Sorry Paw Sha! ha ha

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    I must say Anne, very well said!

    You have got to be one of the far more eloquent members here.

    I don't actually have anything to add to the debate, my viewpoint is from entirely the rescue/rehoming viewpoint, but your post has given me food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Please explain where I attacked you. My comment, in reply to your post was exactly this;
    Although I agree in part with what you have said, the difference in the surgery for a ovariohysterectomy/hysterectomy in a canine and tubal ligation are really minimal so that point is really not effective in debate.

    You responded, but again did not answer or cover my point regarding the 'reduced surgical time', instead you regurgitated the information from the pdf you obviously had in front of you.

    In my next response, I sought once again to seek clarification on the debated point and I said;
    Significantly reduced? I can't see how. An ovariohysterectomy is completed within 30 minutes. How much shorter do you think a tubal ligation is?
    Have you ever witnessed surgical procedures or are you quoting from somewhere?


    I seriously can not see any attack what so ever. On the other hand, you then decided to attack me and the tone of your next response was rude and uncalled for. You are still attacking me.

    I would guess that you are a breeder, a former breeder or a potential breeder (going by your reponse here and in other threads) and perhaps this is why you find it difficult to look at the idea of early desexing from an objective viewpoint. I could naturally be wrong about the breeder bit of course.

    I look at it more from a rescuers perspective but I still recognise that early desexing is not entirely safe.

    To me it is a balance. The balance of probability of the rescue dog being used for breeding purposes against the probability of the rescue dog developing complications from early desexing. In the rescue world, the proability of the dog being used for breeding and the danger this represents far outweighs the possibility of complications due to desexing.

    For a breeder it is more complicated I would imagine. The issues I see a breeder might face would be;
    *The potential of a pup may not be recognised at a young age and desexing would rule out any potential.
    *The cost to desex a litter
    *The time and effort to desex an entire litter
    *The loss of potential homes because buyers do not accept that the pup they buy will be desexed and so they purchase from other breeders instead

    I am sure there are more. Just by the very nature of the debate, breeders are more inclined to be against early desexing. In rescue, it is just simply accepted that rescue dogs are desexed, but even then there are many who will not desex early and re-home on contracts instead because of the potential issues re-homing an eotire dog creates.

    Personally, I think I have a very balance view on the issue of early desexing and whilst the paper that you have read gives a lot of food for thought, there are problems with some of the claims made. I simply pointed out the most simplistic much to your annoyance it would seem.

    It is important to note also, the pdf you have read is an extract and the actual figures that the paper regulalry draws from has never been sighted by anyone that I know.... much like the way the PIAA smothered the market with a document a few years back showing stats on the origins of dogs in pounds. Stats are easily manipulated as they were in this case. Mind you, I am not saying that is the case with the document you have shown but....

    So, now I hope we can move on and you can climb down off that horse lest you should fall. We are striving to keep a happy little community here and you should sit back and enjoy the personalities that frequent here, including me.
    this was a brilliant post, And i aprieciate it very much

    I also think your last comment was a great, polite way to respond to an attack.

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