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    Breeder question.

    Hi guys, some of you know the story about our rescue puppy attempt. Well my fiance and I are now looking into getting another puppy, but we're wanting to take our time and get the right one because we both have so much guilt over Ralley not working out.

    I had a border collie as a teenager and he was the most beautiful dog. So I called up the breeder we got him from (in Perth) and they said they had one left from their current litter and if we wanted "it" we had to put a deposit down ($600, half the price) and then get whatever one we were given (last, since we paid the deposit last).

    No questions about us, no idea about what sort of dog we wanted - working on a farm, for a city backyard, with kids etc. Also, we weren't able to meet the dog until 6 weeks, and by then she said "it will definitely have a new owner so you'll miss out".

    This breeder is registered and listed on a few dog websites, although I can't seem to find a border collie association in WA.

    Does this sound dodgy to you? Our first BC from these guys was fantastic, mind you he did die from "cancer" (the vet couldn't find it though) at 7 years old.

    I guess the main thing is to ask breeders is what they're breeding for - looks, temperament, family pets, markings, showing etc. which will give you a good idea. And anyone happy to take your money without asking any questions, especially for breeds like border collies (who can go a bit nuts if not in the right environment) should make you suspicious. This goes for registered breeders and those who are not. This breeder also told me a BC would be ok in a townhouse if it got enough mental and physical stimulation. Interesting....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralley_girl View Post
    Breeder question.

    Hi guys, some of you know the story about our rescue puppy attempt. Well my fiance and I are now looking into getting another puppy, but we're wanting to take our time and get the right one because we both have so much guilt over Ralley not working out.

    I had a border collie as a teenager and he was the most beautiful dog. So I called up the breeder we got him from (in Perth) and they said they had one left from their current litter and if we wanted "it" we had to put a deposit down ($600, half the price) and then get whatever one we were given (last, since we paid the deposit last).

    No questions about us, no idea about what sort of dog we wanted - working on a farm, for a city backyard, with kids etc. Also, we weren't able to meet the dog until 6 weeks, and by then she said "it will definitely have a new owner so you'll miss out".

    This breeder is registered and listed on a few dog websites, although I can't seem to find a border collie association in WA.

    Does this sound dodgy to you? Our first BC from these guys was fantastic, mind you he did die from "cancer" (the vet couldn't find it though) at 7 years old.

    I guess the main thing is to ask breeders is what they're breeding for - looks, temperament, family pets, markings, showing etc. which will give you a good idea. And anyone happy to take your money without asking any questions, especially for breeds like border collies (who can go a bit nuts if not in the right environment) should make you suspicious. This goes for registered breeders and those who are not. This breeder also told me a BC would be ok in a townhouse if it got enough mental and physical stimulation. Interesting....
    Hubby and I both think you should run for the hills! The breeder should definitely ask questions...no doubt about that. Also...the comment she made ("it will definitely have a new owner so you'll miss out") was in my opinion...to try and rush you if you get my drift.

    If you are living in a townhouse...you really need to consider whether a BC is the right choice for you. I understand people get attached to a certain type of breed. However...I also think we need to consider our living arrangements etc for the dog's sake. They are highly energetic and can be hyperactive. They need tons of mental and physical stimuli on a daily basis.

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    Sorry Ralley girl,

    I'd be finding another breeder too. If the conversation etc went exactly like you say, then I mightn't go near them with a ten foot pole.

    If the breeder used the word "it", then I'd be quite disgusted. Breeders don't usually refer to their dogs or puppies as "it" but you would need to clarify she actually said that word?

    Jeez, I didn't know BC's were that expensive!

    The comment made about another person jumping in and getting the dog - well, look, that's just a stupid, pushy comment to make.

    So, NO WAY would I buy from this breeder.

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    A BC in a normal backyard could be equally as bored and neglected. The size of the property carries some importance, but each case should be looked at individually in my view.

    That comment is very true, IMO.
    Too many people seem to judge a dog's potential well-being from the size of the property they are going to.

    500m2 or 5 acres - a dog left alone with nothing to do can be just as bored and neglected and therefore start displaying unwanted behaviour no matter where it lives.

    Take my neighbours for instance. It is not acreage, but it is a huge block. Yet they (yep 2 of them) just sit around most of the day waiting for their family to come home. Once the family come home, those dogs are sooooooooo busy and obviously very, very happy. Do they use the huge yard - nope.

    Definately each case is different, but this breeder has shown no interest in your circumstances, and therefore no care in hell where her puppies are going, nor how they will be looked after etc.

    I repeat, doesn't sound like a good breeder to me.

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    Thanks all, yes we have decided against that breeder - didn't feel right. I can't remember if she said 'it' or not but I'm pretty sure I remember being surprised at how she spoke about her puppies. She was also keen to point out their beautiful markings, but I said I didn't care about them, I was more interested in health and temperament.

    Anyway, we've actually changed our minds now and are going for a golden retriever (a dog neither of us has had). We do live in a house with a small-medium yard and could easily manage two walks a day for a doggie but we're going to save the BC for older kids and when we do have more room for it to run. We've registered our interest with many different WA goldie breeders and will be patient and choose one that is right for us.

    Looking at probably Feb/March - I'm SO EXCITED BEYOND WORDS!!! Can't wait to post pics and updates after that. At the moment I feel like a fraud because I'm not actually a dog owner (except for my family's choc lab who I see regularly).

    I might just keep my user name the same though in memory of Ralley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralley_girl View Post
    Thanks all, yes we have decided against that breeder - didn't feel right. I can't remember if she said 'it' or not but I'm pretty sure I remember being surprised at how she spoke about her puppies. She was also keen to point out their beautiful markings, but I said I didn't care about them, I was more interested in health and temperament.

    Anyway, we've actually changed our minds now and are going for a golden retriever (a dog neither of us has had). We do live in a house with a small-medium yard and could easily manage two walks a day for a doggie but we're going to save the BC for older kids and when we do have more room for it to run. We've registered our interest with many different WA goldie breeders and will be patient and choose one that is right for us.

    Looking at probably Feb/March - I'm SO EXCITED BEYOND WORDS!!! Can't wait to post pics and updates after that. At the moment I feel like a fraud because I'm not actually a dog owner (except for my family's choc lab who I see regularly).

    I might just keep my user name the same though in memory of Ralley.
    Nope...no fraud

    I am happy for you that yoju have figured out what breed you would like...Golden Retrievers are gorgeous!!!

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    Am I allowed to put this on my website at all? If I link back to the original owner? (Who is that btw?)

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Floyd View Post
    A big thank you Paw-Sha for your educating post, lets hope poeple take note & listen to your advice & not breed from their pets or buy pets from pet shops, byb's or commercial kennels.
    What about designer dogs, purebreeds are outdated for me purebreed out hybrid in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizardking1987 View Post
    What about designer dogs, purebreeds are outdated for me purebreed out hybrid in.
    Troll much?

    What about shelter dogs? BTW Hybrid vigour is great if you're getting a bird. Or fish? It's been shown that dogs bred from unhealthy parents make unhealthy puppies, but you go your way... leave us in peace with our methods....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizardking1987 View Post
    What about designer dogs, purebreeds are outdated for me purebreed out hybrid in.
    I smell a troll.

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