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    I think a vicious circle is easy to continue here. Experienced folk making presumtions and newcomers being arrogant is not a good mix in any sport or hobby.

    People entering a new hobby or sport and claiming to know more than everyone else is perhaps one reason experienced people become jaded, and even elitist...?

    And thus it continues.

    Experienced and new folk equally need to keep open minds and eyes, as presumptions and arrogance don't help anyone. The difference with dog owning or breeding as opposed to other hobbies is the addition of animal welfare issues adds a level of emotion that is much higher than other hobbies.

    I would also beg to differ on a simple note culprit. We have BYBers - whether registered or not - because there are folks out there whose greed and arrogance outweighs their conscience and morals and they are prepared to put profit before animal welfare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    I think a vicious circle is easy to continue here. Experienced folk making presumtions and newcomers being arrogant is not a good mix in any sport or hobby.

    People entering a new hobby or sport and claiming to know more than everyone else is perhaps one reason experienced people become jaded, and even elitist...?

    And thus it continues.

    Experienced and new folk equally need to keep open minds and eyes, as presumptions and arrogance don't help anyone. The difference with dog owning or breeding as opposed to other hobbies is the addition of animal welfare issues adds a level of emotion that is much higher than other hobbies.

    I would also beg to differ on a simple note culprit. We have BYBers - whether registered or not - because there are folks out there whose greed and arrogance outweighs their conscience and morals and they are prepared to put profit before animal welfare.
    I am all for having an open mind. Just because so called experts view it one way does not make it correct. It's like Global warming, we are freezing in October and the so called experts have disappeared.

    I don't know everything I just relate to my many years of experience with pets. I have brought them from the Pound and have purchased allegedly pure bred dogs without papers for a quarter of the price for the same allegedly pure bred animal. I have done this numerous times over numerous years. None of my animals have gone ballistic and all were happy friendly animals and lived long lives (showing my age).

    Purchasing Lachie (My Westie) was a decision that my partner and I decided on and saved for and waited for. We visited numerous registered breeders recommended by the Westie Club of Victoria and whilst all the dogs we saw were great the owners/Breeders were not impressive. Until I/We met Lachies Grand Mother so to speak I/We was getting rather tired of wasting my time and it was becoming increasingly disenchanting. Taking into account that people have bad days etc I was not impressed by their attitude. The Breeder whom I/we purchased Lachie off was down to earth and went through everything with us. She advised us of all the pros and cons of the breed and went right into what is required. We have become good friends and see them regularly.

    As everything in life it has to be balanced and to label all BYB breeders as morons is like labeling all registered Breeders as excellent. Not everyone wants or can purchase the top of the line Mercedes so they buy the Commodore. If you can get past this in your thinking you just may see there are two sides of every story/discussion.

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    Good posts Guys,
    My intent, when writing this article, is merely to inform, and educate people.
    Reading over it again, it does sound like a huge generalisation, and for that I apologise, I realise that there are many BYB who are the "most lovely, helpful people you could ever hope to meet".
    I was one of thoes people when I wanted to breed from Paw-Sha. It took me, to take a step back, and ask myself the REAL reason I wanted to breed in the first place. I did not know much on the subect before joining the Dogforum, but since, I have read countless articles and formed my own opinion on the subect, and now I thought I could try to educate other people in thinking along similar lines.
    I at first wanted to breed from Paw-Sha beacause, she is a beautiful specimen, fantastic temperment, soft almost white coat, so we could raise one of her pups and she could experence the miricle of birth.....but after thinking about it, I realised that it really was not in HER best interest that I breed from her at all. In fact quite the opposite. I at the time did not believe I was selfish at all in thinking she would be a good candidate for breeding. But the more I read, the more I understood the big picture, and that by me breeding an unregistered pure breed, I too would have been contributing to the overpopulation of pups, and increasing the number of unwanted pups/dogs there are in today society.
    I am definatly not saying that a Backyard Breeder is or is not a good person....what I am saying is to look deeper into the reasoning behind wanting to breed in the first place and perhaps you will come to the realisation that this article speaks the truth.
    Last edited by Paw-Sha; 10-07-2009 at 12:16 PM.

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    You need to get a life Huanic. Seriously.

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    waht about papers ?

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    me and my mum don,t just give the puppies away people have to fill in application
    and wait for 2 week before thay get the dog

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    Responsible breeding is ALWAYS done with the breed in mind! Responsible breeders breed to IMPROVE the breed and not for profits! They breed with top examples of the breed...that is WITHIN the breed standard.

    This is the reason for desexing Sumo (our Staffy boy) even though he was bought from a registered Breeder and pick of the litter. He has skin allergies...ongoing problems...is fairly large for a Staffy (21kg at 8 months)...his ears are a bit big and heavy and his lips are loose. We can't for the life of us use him for show and breeding...honestly knowing that he comes with this problems and issues. It would have been a lot easier (and cheaper) just to use him further down the track...but that wouldn't be in the best interest of the puppies and the Breed!

    We bought a Rottweiler male puppy one time from registered breeders (they came recommended by the local breed's club and were on the commitee) and from what we were told...top parents and he was pick of the litter. I did show and obedience training with this dog on a daily basis...he got loads of love, care and attention...and one morning 3 days before his 1 year birthday...he attacked my 2 boys and then turned on my husbandout of the blue . Just because people are "registered breeders"...doesn't mean they have a clue of what they are doing. My Rottweiler's parents turned out to be Dam - nervous, anxious and Sire - dominant and nervous...which meant a "deadly" combination in our dog. He was returned to the breeder (for free) and trust me...they were not happy about it. They knew how much work I had put into this dog and still he turned out that way. I guess with us asking them to take him back was the same as telling them...he was no good. I LOVED this dog...I cried for months and still get tears in my eyes when I think about him. I put my heart and soul into him, but it was simply not safe to keep him around our kids. So when it comes to breeders...follow your gut instinct (because I didn't)...make sure you see where the puppies are being raised and that it is clean and safe...make sure the breeder is willing to answer any questions you might have...make sure you get some sort of guarantee that you can return the puppy if it turns it it has any genetic diseases. If you think something seems or sounds to good to be true...it often is!!!
    Last edited by Cleasanta; 11-06-2009 at 12:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kassie jones View Post
    me and my mum don,t just give the puppies away people have to fill in application
    and wait for 2 week before thay get the dog


    Kassie

    could you kindly explain in clear terms what you are trying to say as i'm confused about your family just giving away the puppies & what do you mean about "wait 2 weeks before they get the dog" ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Floyd View Post
    Kassie

    could you kindly explain in clear terms what you are trying to say as i'm confused about your family just giving away the puppies & what do you mean about "wait 2 weeks before they get the dog" ????
    Cassie, dear girl, I've seen all your comments around the threads and you seem to be contradicting yourself everywhere.

    Could you please state things much more clearly.
    No offence intended (usually stated before offence is made) but why would your mother and yourself get people to fill out application forms?
    Don't you meet the new prospective owners? decide whether they are suitable for the dog, and give them the chance to decide if they wish to buy from you?

    Very confused here.

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    She's only 15(so she says). Maybe she isn't entirely sure whats going on with her dogs(if anything).
    Education not Legislation

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