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    OP, mouseandchicken is the perfect example of the sort of breeder everyone should try to be. A breeder is a breeder, they are many of them. GOOD breeders are not always so easy to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    OP, mouseandchicken is the perfect example of the sort of breeder everyone should try to be. A breeder is a breeder, they are many of them. GOOD breeders are not always so easy to find.
    Trust me DA. The good ones are out there. They are not easy to find because they seldom need to advertise. Good breeders usually have a waiting list before they even contemplate a mating. Many of the best don't even have a web site.

    This is one reason I always advise people to join their breed club BEFORE they choose their puppy. I joined the Pug Club 9 months before I got my first Pug. I joined the Deerhound club when I adopted my first Deerhound from the pound. You don't have to own a breed to be a member of the club and pet owners are usually just as welcome as experienced dog fanciers. By joining a club you can learn while you are waiting for your pup and you soon get to know who the GOOD breeder are.

    The breeder of my first Pug stayed in contact with me until she (the breeder) died. Although I no longer have a Deerhound I am still in contact with the breeder of two of my boys.

    It's worth taking the time to find the GOOD breeders and joining the breed club really does make it easier.

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    Yes, I've seen countless documentories about Puppy Mills and it just disgusts me. How can one treat a living creature in such a awful, cruel and inhumane way? It saddens me to know that this is happening in Oz. I really do hope that there will be some way to stop it.

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    My pup is a sort of back yard breeder.
    Mum 6 yrs of age, Dad 3yrs of age. They'd managed to escape any pregnancies between the dogs till this litter. So not a planned pregnancy. But you get that.
    Both parents are working sheep dogs, on 200 acres. Both GSD's. Both house pets too.
    Best bloody GSD's for pets ive ever seen!
    (then again, show me a working dog that aint chilled and relaxed at the end of the day).
    But i wanted one of those pups.
    I tried for a pedigree from a breeder. Nobody would let me have one. I had to be competing, they wanted their dogs to go onto to competition, presumably to benefit the blood line, pup price, their own status as a breeder? Many good, and NOT so good reasons for saying a dog cant come live with my 'ordinary' family.
    That left me dogless.
    So, i was thrilled to hear of this coming litter. I had a brilliant set of parents with good hip/elbow scores. Dad does not have papers. So no pedigree here. I now train at a GSD club. Ive seen the 'show' dogs. Manners like pigs, disobedient, wont heal on a lead, quite dog aggressive. Mmmm, tricky decision eh?

    On the other hand, a colleague, is a back yard breeder. She sat at desk next to me all day, whilst her bitch gave birth to 4 pups at home alone. I could slap her.

    Both of the above are back yard breeders. I see a vast amount of difference.

    My dog is a pet, he comes walks with the family, bush walks, camping, kids 2yr old birthday parties, pet expos, dog training club. His quality of life is pretty good i reckon. Yet "i" am not fit to own a pedigree, according to the professional breeders. Go figure?

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    Bernie, I am finding it very hard to comprehend how or why registered GSD breeders would have given you that attitude? I am seriously dumbfounded! I would assume you mean you enquired at one or two breeders around your area, or what?

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    How i searched was on line, with the GSD club Victoria. Found breeders through that, i sent letter to 2, emails to one. No response to letter, email stating no pups available, no explanation to my email enquiries.
    So then i rang the GSD club secretary, and was advised that im unlikely to get a pup, as the pups are generally gone before they are born, and that the breeders would always choose a new owner who will show over a pet owner for those pups the breeder considers have 'potential'. In other words, my family, just wanting a 'pet' to love, would not get a look in.
    So, as i had my 3 month annual leave period coming up. I had my own time line. I wanted to settle/train my pup intensively during my time off id booked.
    So, that back yard breeder, that's where i went, and im so happy with our Bernie.
    He has the best traits of both mum and dad. The high prey drive from the working line, with the addition of a high pack drive, owner devoted parents that's clearly been passed down to our boy. Both drives i wanted to trial in obedience in. Perfect.
    He does have a medium hair coat length, that wasnt expected as both mum and dad are short haired. But you can get that with the best blood lines anyway. Only, id not of been allowed to buy one, in the time frame i was working with ie. 3 months, to find a pup for my 3 months off.
    Bernie

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    and yes, i was dumbfounded by the response too.
    Ive never trialled in australia, but used to in my younger days in uk.
    The dog world, or horse world, whatever pet you are showing, seems to turn some peoples heads and they kinda lose sight of what you want a dog for in the first place! Which is NOT to look good in a photo with a rosette, lets face it. If that is the only reason you have to own a dog, then there are going to be thousands of hours, where your need is not being met.
    Differrent strokes for different folks i guess.
    Either way, i have the best outcome i could of wanted. Bernie.
    Who will one day win a rosette of his own. Or not. Im not fussed, as long as he is around me, shaggy, bit dirty from working, but truly happy.
    He listens to all my problems, is always so pleased to see me, has beautiful manners, and that wee bit of mischief in him too to make our life interesting.
    Perfect.

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    I'm so sorry you were treated like that and received that sort of reception from the GSDC of Victoria. That's just mind-blowing. Never been treated like that in my life by any GSD breeder, thank goodness.

    needless to say, you have Bernie now, and he sounds like the perfect dog for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magdalena View Post
    Hey Ferrero,
    Good on you for spreading the word and doing your bit.
    There was one video I saw, it wasn't a puppy farm one, it was an animal cruelty one in China. It showed all these dead puppies just laying in the street near a subway I think it was? Everybody was just walking past them like they weren't there

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    Another warning sign is that they don't want you to visit the home so that you can meet the parent/s and see the whole litter before you pick the puppy up.

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