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    Im happy to admit whilst i new what a puppy mill was i honestly didnt think it happened in Australia, more the US or Uk but not here

    It's heartbreaking stuff and it really does need to be exposed more. A gf of mine just bought a dog off the local trading paper.. 5 weeks later the lady she bought the dog off was on Today Tonight as an exposed puppy miller/breeder..

    It all made sense, because within 3 days of getting the dog he was at the vet due to dehydration and gastro, she thought it was a coincidence (not knowing much) but when she saw the report she knew it was just standard..

    Not only did she pay 500 for the dog, she then paid 400 for the vet bills (plus vac's etc) and now doesn't know for sure what her puppy 'really' is.. He's suppose to be a lab x kelpie but he's showing signs of ridge-back every time i see him.

    If only either of us (her or i) had joined her before she bought the dog to see this, would of been a real eyeopener! As she honestly believed the ladies story about her dogs "accident" (that she was taking her to be sterilized as she wasn't having any more mistakes), made sure she went to the persons house (which ended up being a "friends" house the report said) and viewed the mother, but the father was "out for a run"..

    It's disgusting people do this! I do not agree with BYB but understand occasionally accidents DO happen, and if it does then trying to give the dogs good homes is that persons priority.. But it astounds me people do it time and time again KNOWING how wrong it is..

    Off topic, but you'll find lizards and snakes etc have to come from a petshop as there are no 'breeders' without shops attached due to keeping a lid on numbers etc.. (at least here in WA) even then i wouldn't recomend an 'actual' pet shop but a specialty reptile store..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jodz View Post

    Off topic, but you'll find lizards and snakes etc have to come from a petshop as there are no 'breeders' without shops attached due to keeping a lid on numbers etc.. (at least here in WA) even then i wouldn't recomend an 'actual' pet shop but a specialty reptile store..

    Well dogs don't seem that 'big' up here. I think it's because Airlie Beach is more of a backpacker place and they obviously don't have dogs. Although, a fair few people DO have dogs up here and the pet shops still need to cater for them, but these pet shops seem to specialise more in reptiles and fish.

    I wasn't saying it's wrong for them to sell reptiles aswell lol, I was just saying that's what they DO sell up here, reptiles and fish, not puppies and kittens
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    I got a question..

    how can you tell if someone is a puppy mill breeder? like the common signs..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peta23 View Post
    I got a question..

    how can you tell if someone is a puppy mill breeder? like the common signs..
    they mass produce puppies for profits

    BYB breed unregistered AND registred PB or cross puppies
    Last edited by Cleasanta; 11-24-2009 at 08:03 AM.

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    I'm going to go on and on here because pet shops & disgusting puppy millers and the like that sell puppies to impulse buyers really get me on my soap box. I am a registered breeder and a small one at that, I estimate that I breed a litter about every 2.5 years. Only when I want to keep a pup from a litter that I think will be outstanding and an improvement to the breed.

    I do not make money from that litter because I have maintained their parents in the best of health, I have driven all over the country and exhibited them at various dogs shows both All Breeds and Speciality Shows, paid for motels, entry fees, memberships etc etc.

    Its my choice to do this but I still beg everyone and anyone to buy from registered breeders for pedigrees and rescues for those who prefer the good ol mutt.

    I do my little bit by keeping the pet shop in my local Westfield honest and pointing out to them things like... There is no such breed as a miniature maltese (they put a price of $1200 on these puppies). I told them this was misleading. The workers in that shop cringe when I walk by. I inform people looking in the window at the poodle X's that the mix of coat may well work against itself and they should be prepared to make regular visits to the groomer if they don't think they can manage themselves.

    Am I wrong to do this. Probably. Do I care. Not one little bit.

    Does it irk me that they can charge more for a Xbreed than I do for a registered purebred, yes and no. Keep the price high and hopefully some people will be turned away from these designer dogs. Yes they are cute & intelligent, that not the problem. What gets me most of all is that they are placed in the front window.

    I could just go on and on, but I'm off to the vets now to pick up my big girl who I sent off for de-sexing because she is not the best representative of her breed.

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    Sorry I went on and on and forgot post some points on how to recognise a registered breeder.

    A good registered breeder will put a pet quality puppy on the Restricted/Limited Register. A good registered breeder will be happy to show you one or both of your potential puppies parents. Ask how successful the parents have been in the show ring and they'll be happy to bring out challenge certificates, sashes etc. Ask their kennel prefix.

    Ask them if they will be attending any shows in your area so that you can see some of your potential puppies relatives in action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    Sorry I went on and on and forgot post some points on how to recognise a registered breeder.

    A good registered breeder will put a pet quality puppy on the Restricted/Limited Register. A good registered breeder will be happy to show you one or both of your potential puppies parents. Ask how successful the parents have been in the show ring and they'll be happy to bring out challenge certificates, sashes etc. Ask their kennel prefix.

    Ask them if they will be attending any shows in your area so that you can see some of your potential puppies relatives in action.
    And a good registered breeder accepts life long responsibility for every pup they breed. A good breeder is always there to offer help and advice and is always prepared to take back a dog or pup of their breeding. Most good breeders also help out with rescues, even if they are unrelated to their own dogs.

    One of my pups came back to me at 9 years of age. She is still with me at age 17.

    Pet shops, puppy farmers and backyarders don't care what happens to the pups once they have pocketed your money.

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    Puppy mills and deliberate BYB's are an example of humans in their lowest form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhound View Post
    And a good registered breeder accepts life long responsibility for every pup they breed. A good breeder is always there to offer help and advice and is always prepared to take back a dog or pup of their breeding. Most good breeders also help out with rescues, even if they are unrelated to their own dogs.
    These points are really important. We thought we bought Sumo from a good breeder. That was until we questioned Sumo's breeding lines. We were NEVER told the bitch had been serviced by 2 sires. We were told a specific sire was Sumo's dad (this sire was a champion dog). When we received Sumo's paperwork...it stated a Pennyflower dog and I didn't pay too much attention to that. That was until I received Dogs NSW magazine and it stated Sumo's mum had had 2 sires on her. I contacted the breeder and said I wanted to see proof of DNA testing, because the Sire on Sumo's papers was different to the one they had told us and that sire was not a champion dog...furthermore he was blue and we didn't want any blue puppies should we want to breed with Sumo. I also contacted breeder regarding Sumo's allergies and wanted to know whether his parents had suffered from this. I am still waiting for a reply...after 3 months!

    Sumo has now been desexed because he is just not show/breeding material. He is a gorgeous staffy boy with good temperament, but he just doesn't come within the standard as to his size etc.

    Unless you are willing to guarantee you will be there for the owners of the puppies...I would say...don't do it.

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    "Support for life". That's what goes on my puppy packs.

    That and my other printed in bold statement. "If for any reason you can no longer keep the dog, no matter what it's age, please return the dog to me and I will refund your purchase price".

    I also ask that should they re-home the dog that they please advise me of it's new home.

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