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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Ok this is where I get confused.
    My grandfather owns a sheep farm and never has, but knows people that breed their own working Kelpies. These people arn't registered and sell/give the dogs to people they know(family, friends, neighbouring farms) who want to use them as herders. I will say, a lot of the dogs around where these farms are arn't microchipped or visit the vet until they need it.
    I cant make up my mind on this. Its so so different to those in more suburban areas, but its still going against everything I believe.
    These dogs DONT end up in shelters/pounds because the people that buy them need them to work, not just as pets. They breed the best workers with the best workers rather than healthiest with healthiest.
    I dont know, maybe you guys will have more of an opinion on this.

    I would be interested in opinions too as no, it is not done for profit, they are given away not sold. yes none go to shelters, yes (with us at least there is good vet care) health as well as working ability is taken into account in choosing a sire. Ours too are loved pets as well as part time workers, if they have the aptitude, otherwise they are loved pets till they pass (again in our case) Microchipping is not widely done as any wandering dog is generally known and returned or phone calls go out till farmers find the owner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by locoroco View Post
    Sorry to hear that,I totally understand your feeling.

    Which one of us please and why? I am interested in discussion on this either negative or positive.

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    so, you going to shoot all the pups that don't go to working homes so that they don't end up in pounds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    so, you going to shoot all the pups that don't go to working homes so that they don't end up in pounds?
    Occy I dont know about the OP, but the guy I know that breeds them isnt going to breed his bitch for one dog. He rounds up who wants his pups before he even breeds.
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    Shoot them, nahhhh, prefer drowning....am Joking. As I said the ones we don't keep go to homes with those we know or adds are placed and we screen. Remember it was 15 years ago we last bred. Good working dogs are snapped up. Some even get them as pets.

    The last litter I chose one as a pet. I was asked by my father in Law to reconsider as that one seemed to have what he wanted so I re chose. That dog was a loved family pet/working because he wanted to be, for 14 years. A good life for a well looked after heeler.

    You are free to assume what you want. You do not know me, you do not know the care put in. I think that whilst we can all have some strong views on any subject that unless you know the situations presented we can not judge.

    Occy, worst case scenario and there are some left, I keep them, I desex them. I have had dogs all my life. I am very very lucky that I have the land, and the means to ensure their every need.
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    I am not known here yet, my first day, in time you will all know me. I am not offended in any way with a discussion on this. I have the same passion with in discriminative breeding with any breed or species. There is so much abuse and glut with pets. No way am I going to add to that. If I hear of a dog, cat, a bird just allowed to breed willy nilly I go nuts.

    This bitch was intended for a planned litter, but later. That this accident happened so young was beyond my control and I am sick about it. I am doing all I can to ensure her safe passage through it even though she is not legally my dog. I have no fear at all that her pups will find a good home. As I said though I will keep the remainder. Words to satisfy a forum? No. Do I really give a damn what others say? No. Do I care about animal welfare, especially mine? yes

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    great to hear - too bad you still have so much of a farmer mentality about dogs though

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Ok this is where I get confused.
    My grandfather owns a sheep farm and never has, but knows people that breed their own working Kelpies. These people arn't registered and sell/give the dogs to people they know(family, friends, neighbouring farms) who want to use them as herders. I will say, a lot of the dogs around where these farms are arn't microchipped or visit the vet until they need it.
    I cant make up my mind on this. Its so so different to those in more suburban areas, but its still going against everything I believe.
    These dogs DONT end up in shelters/pounds because the people that buy them need them to work, not just as pets. They breed the best workers with the best workers rather than healthiest with healthiest.
    I dont know, maybe you guys will have more of an opinion on this.
    With working dogs you will probably find the best workers ARE the healthiest. Farmers have no use for working dogs with health problems. Farmers would cull the weak and only use the best and toughest in their breeding program.

    I have no problems at all with farmers breeding, including crossbreeding to improve their working stock.

    Long before I was born my dad trained working sheepdogs on a sheep station on the border of SA & NT. His favourite was of course his own dog Blossom who was out of a Kelpie bitch, by a Dingo/Cattle dog x. This was a carefully planned mating and produced some top workers. The mating was repeated several times. According to my dad it was very rough country and they needed the stamina of the Dingo x with the working ability of the Kelpies. People came from miles around to buy pups from the strain they created and for all I know dogs from this line could still be working in the area today.

    Totally off topic but my dad said they made leather boots for the dogs to wear when they were working in rough terrain. I can just imagine all the tough working kelpies mincing around in their cute leather boots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    great to hear - too bad you still have so much of a farmer mentality about dogs though
    Too bad that you think that way. My beloved heeler who died last Dec at the end of his life when he could not jump into his beloved ute to go chasing cattle was lifted into into the cab by either my hubby or his father so he could bark at them from inside (deafening the driver) and feel useful when he heard the cattle passing between farms and the other dogs barking and threatened to break down my door to get out there.
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    So you also ride dogs in the back of utes unrestrained? niiiice

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