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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    I have done a bit of research regarding this. The "purebreds" listed I doubt have papers and would have been bred by BYB's, but we will do this anyway...just for "entertainment"

    At this point...there are 1,789 dogs on PetRescue's site.

    I did't go through the whole thing, because the same picture painted itself on each page.

    Out of 200 dogs...157 dogs were cross breeds...which equals 78.5% of the dogs listed. Out of the "purebreds"...there were:

    1 Labrador - female
    1 Jack Russell - female
    1 Pomeranian - male
    1 Tenterfield Terrier - female
    1 Border Collie - male
    1 Corgi - male
    1 Border Collie - female
    1 Border Collie - male
    1 German Coolie - male
    1 Bull Arab Puppy - female
    1 American Bull Dog - female
    1 Bull Arab dog - female
    1 Staffordshire Bull Terrier puppy - male
    1 Irish Wolfhound - female
    1 Pomaranian - female
    1 Rottweiler - male
    1 Bichon Frise - female
    1 Labrador - female
    1 Maremma Sheepdog - male
    1 Jack Russell - male
    1 Golden Retriever - male
    1 Siberian Husky - female
    1 Shar Pei - female
    1 Cocler Spaniel - male
    1 Staffordshire Bull Terrier - male
    1 Pomeranian - male
    1 Greyhound - female
    1 Rottweiler - male
    1 ****zhu - male
    1 Maltese - male
    1 ****zhu - female
    1 Staffordshire Bull Terrier - female
    1 Staffordshire Bull Terrier - male
    1 Greyhound - female
    1 Greyhound - female
    1 Greyhound - female
    1 Greyhound - female
    1 Boxer - male
    1 Border Collie - male
    1 Kelpie - female
    1 Red Heeler - male
    1 Standard Poodle - male
    1 Black GSD - female - I think this one is iffy too regarding "pure"

    There were a few on the list which stated they were "purebreds"...not in a million years! I have NOT counted those 3 dogs as pure...but as cross breeds!

    When it comes to mixes...a fair bit of Staffy X there...but really there were all kinds of mixes.
    Try a search using the large dog selection then show the percentage again. You will be surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    Try a search using the large dog selection then show the percentage again. You will be surprised.
    this was done on ALL sizes!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    Clea - it's Shih not the other lol. Also - I would debate the validity of a coolie as a breed considering so many different dogs can be called coolies
    I don't really know about the Coolie...is it a purebreed?

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    Geez pugaliers are copping it on here What have they ever done to you lot? I own one (obviously!) and i agree, he is a cross breed and I'd never try to pretend he's not - same as our malt/shih is a cross (again, obviously). But I've got to call him something right? and pugalier's a lot quicker to say than pug x cavalier king charles spaniel lol.

    This thread has been going on forever and ever - can't everyone just agree to disagree...? Or at least agree that breeding should be left to the professionals, no matter what dog it is?



    P.S. Merry Christmas everyone, hope you've all had a lovely day!

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    The reason I dislike the name is that it is a marketing exercise - nothing against the dog itself. Can't speak for anyone else. I also think ppl are using them as an example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    "The Silken Windhound, a recently developed, rare breed, is the result of a long-awaited dream to fill the niche in the Sighthound breeds with a smaller, long-haired hound."

    What is the difference between this and a Maltese/shtzu x or a pugilier?
    Are the people breeding these crosses doing so with a final aim in mind? Or with this sort of innane mindset?:

    The principle of cross breeding is fairly simple. A judicious selection of two compatible breeds which, when crossed together, creates a cross breed that has acquired the best bits of each of the parents whilst leaving out the undesirable parts.

    from: Burke's Backyard > Fact Sheets > Pugaliers

    What an unscientific crock of manure.

    The difference is in purpose. People are quick to say that they are trying to combine the best bits of two breeds etc etc. Silken Windhounds are a great example of just how much work, dedication, time and sheer numbers of breeding animals is involved in that process. The culling (and by that I mean desexing and removing from the breeding program) process must be strict and can be heartbreaking. You may think you've found a good match only to end up with offspring that is completely out there. That is the risk with cross breeding. And the left over animals all must be re-homed.

    Most modern breeds were developed in times when there was less moral concern for unwanted dogs. This made life easier for the breed developer as they could literally cull (ie. bang on the head, throw in the river etc etc) rejects from their breeding program without need for costly vet work and time consuming pet-homing. This may sound mean but that's how it was. Society is a very different place now and as such there is a whole new world of duties and resposibilities for any breeder.

    The sheer numbers needed to be bred to establish a new breed from different root stock is bordering on socially unacceptable in this day and age. Particularly with a low population as in Australia where companion animal placements are limited.

    Just chucking together two different breeds and thinking you'll get the best bits is naive at best and downright mean at worst. All too often these first crosses turn out to get the worst bits from both parents, or turn out different altogether. Which creates a sea of health and welfare issues. Not to mention numerous disappointed owners who were expecting something very different to the dog they eventually get. Then to just keep on throwing these crosses together without a grand plan is ridiculous.

    Why try to breed something that doesn't have "breathing difficulties" like a pug if there are plenty of longer faced breeds already around? Why not leave it to dedicated pug people to improve the health of their breed?

    Have you ever seen a "pugalier" that has inherited the short face of a pug with the longer legs and energy levels of a JRT? Have you ever watched it try and run as much as it wants to when it can't breathe well enough to cope with it?

    I have. It's not pretty. And it's not fair. These animals shouldn't have to be backyard genetic experiments. Leave genetics to people that research and understand it, not to Gardeners and their like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    ozeymum has been banned
    Really? I miss all the interesting stuff.

    sigh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    The reason I dislike the name is that it is a marketing exercise - nothing against the dog itself. Can't speak for anyone else. I also think ppl are using them as an example.
    I think you're right Occy. Wish they'd stop though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie & Bella's mum View Post
    Geez pugaliers are copping it on here What have they ever done to you lot? I own one (obviously!) and i agree, he is a cross breed and I'd never try to pretend he's not - same as our malt/shih is a cross (again, obviously). But I've got to call him something right? and pugalier's a lot quicker to say than pug x cavalier king charles spaniel lol.

    This thread has been going on forever and ever - can't everyone just agree to disagree...? Or at least agree that breeding should be left to the professionals, no matter what dog it is?



    P.S. Merry Christmas everyone, hope you've all had a lovely day!
    I'm so sorry! Lol. I love to tease pugaliers because they're so ugly they're cute. My mate has oe and it is the funniest little character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie & Bella's mum View Post
    I think you're right Occy. Wish they'd stop though!
    Forgive me? *Puppy dog eyes.

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