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    Quote Originally Posted by Peta23 View Post
    ADC breed was made over 100 years ago like keplies.. Of course they were a designed breed 100 years ago cos they english dogs couldnt work in the oz climate. Its like most of the dog breeds in the world. They were made over 100 years ago and they were breed for a purposes. Like the toy dogs
    So then why do people have such issues with cross breeding today? ACD probably one of the hardiest dogs around.

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    Because it is rare these days that cross breeding is done with a genuine purpose in mind - other than profit that is!

    Some cross breeding with the view to forming new breeds has been done in the last few decades, but it is very different to accidental breeding or deliberate cross breeding for profit only with no forward planning or concern for the ongoing health and welfare of those pups.

    Here is an example of a new breed, that is still under development and still largely unrecognised:

    ISWS - International Silken Windhound Society

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    Quote Originally Posted by nattylou View Post
    because it is rare these days that cross breeding is done with a genuine purpose in mind - other than profit that is!

    some cross breeding with the view to forming new breeds has been done in the last few decades, but it is very different to accidental breeding or deliberate cross breeding for profit only with no forward planning or concern for the ongoing health and welfare of those pups.

    Here is an example of a new breed, that is still under development and still largely unrecognised:

    isws - international silken windhound society
    well said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    Because it is rare these days that cross breeding is done with a genuine purpose in mind - other than profit that is!

    Some cross breeding with the view to forming new breeds has been done in the last few decades, but it is very different to accidental breeding or deliberate cross breeding for profit only with no forward planning or concern for the ongoing health and welfare of those pups.

    Here is an example of a new breed, that is still under development and still largely unrecognised:

    ISWS - International Silken Windhound Society

    So do you agree with this then? The ISWS i mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    Your dog has an infinitely greater chance of getting cancer - testicular and prostate - whilst he is entire. Remove the testicles and remove two cancers! Or don't and live with that!

    Hi, was just looking around and found this statement. I have not read the whole thread but I gather that no-one has corrected this?
    The prostate is unaffected by desexing, meaning it stays there, and actually the chances of prostate cancer in desexed males is roughly EIGHT times higher if you neuter your male dog. Much safer to keep them entire and be a responsible owner. Not only does the dog need their hormones for normal growth and development, there is no reason to drastically alter a dog's basic makeup UNLESS you have no idea how to look after an entire dog. Desexing of dogs is purely for human convenience. Nothing else.

    Here Bladder and Prostate Cancer: Neutering Male Dogs Increases Risk
    google some more if you are interested in learning. I will no doubt not be back if anyone wants to call me names or tell me I am stupid

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    I agree with THIS statement...as that was what i highlighted!

    because it is rare these days that cross breeding is done with a genuine purpose in mind - other than profit that is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    So do you agree with this then? The ISWS i mean.
    I'm a little bit on the fence with Windhounds, not being involved at all. But I do greatly admire the work and dedication put into their development. They have been genetically mapped for the last decade, which I think is something now being done with Bull Arabs in Australia. Ozeymum?? You about to clarify that one?

    And while Silken Windhounds are generally thought to be a stablised cross of Borzoi and Whippet, they have had introdution of other blood to strengthen desired characteristics - Shetland Sheepdog notably - like you'll find in most older establised breeds. Crossing two breeds and immediately expecting something halfway between them really doesn't work. There's hidden stuff that crops up and unexpected results galore.

    When I was a kid I thought that if you bred together a white horse and a brown horse you got a brown and white baby. This is something most adults would realise isn't going to happen. But we sort of do believe that with dogs.
    Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minny View Post
    Hi, was just looking around and found this statement. I have not read the whole thread but I gather that no-one has corrected this?
    The prostate is unaffected by desexing, meaning it stays there, and actually the chances of prostate cancer in desexed males is roughly EIGHT times higher if you neuter your male dog. Much safer to keep them entire and be a responsible owner. Not only does the dog need their hormones for normal growth and development, there is no reason to drastically alter a dog's basic makeup UNLESS you have no idea how to look after an entire dog. Desexing of dogs is purely for human convenience. Nothing else.

    Here Bladder and Prostate Cancer: Neutering Male Dogs Increases Risk
    google some more if you are interested in learning. I will no doubt not be back if anyone wants to call me names or tell me I am stupid
    Well duh - of course the prostate is not removed. However, there is a greater chance of advancing prostate cancer without desexing.

    A quick google search confirms what I said - testosterone FEEDS prostate cancer and thus treatments work to bring down the hormone levels. I would rather go with medical science, not the theories of people who just can't be bothered desexing their dogs

    What Causes Prostate Cancer?

    And from that site

    "Nice To Know:

    A few studies suggested that having a vasectomy (a sterilization procedure in which the tubes that transport sperm cells are cut and tied, so that a man cannot make a woman pregnant) might increase a man's risk for prostate cancer. However, most studies do not support this finding."


    ETA: Wow - hell of a first post - not only talking about facts that dont exist but lso assuming you would be attacked - nice - you MIGHT have wanted to try a thread in the intro forum, or are you not interested in reasonable dialoge? You're not stupid, just wrong

    ETA: IMO - of course!
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    "The Silken Windhound, a recently developed, rare breed, is the result of a long-awaited dream to fill the niche in the Sighthound breeds with a smaller, long-haired hound."

    What is the difference between this and a Maltese/shtzu x or a pugilier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    "The Silken Windhound, a recently developed, rare breed, is the result of a long-awaited dream to fill the niche in the Sighthound breeds with a smaller, long-haired hound."

    What is the difference between this and a Maltese/shtzu x or a pugilier?
    Not as ugly as a pugalier

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