What an excellent post Disney.
This entire crossbred breeding debate and BYB debate has got really nasty over the past few weeks. And it's not like it's being instigated by some idiotic so-called troll coming in here stirring things up - this is between long-standing, respected and liked regular members. I just don't see why we can't all discuss our different opinions (to which we are all entitled) in a more friendly and rational manner.
I for one have not once entered the whole BYB debate, nor the petshop debate, as I do NOT see things in the same light as many others here. Shock. Horror. But there you go. If I HAD entered any of those threads, I am painfully aware that my respect for certain members here may very well have perished. Sad, but true.
There are a multitide of different sides to every story. We only learn when we are ALL willing to try and see things from another's perspective, particularly such a touching subject as this appears to be.
Both purebreds and crossbreds are dogs, are alive and are special to their people. However - both should never be bred from as a general rule. The only ones who should be are those pure breds that meet the breed standard on temperament, health and physicality.
This forum is a pure and cross bred for owners of both. From memory - no one can advertise a litter unless it is a registered litter? OR am I remembering wrong?
Owning and breeding are two very different things. NO ONE who breeds x breds or BYB or accidental litters or whatever excuse people want to use is responsible. That does not mean the owners dont LOVE their dogs, it means the breeders - if we can call them that - have no scruples and no understanding of the concept of improving a breed. This doesn't extend to attempts such as the lab x poodle as that was a purposeful mating for a reasonable result - however, what is the point of crossing a german shepherd and a golden retriever? what is the point of crossing a poodle with a german shepherd? a poodle with a pug? a pug with a cavvie? What is it aside from selfish human FASHION.
A real Cruella De Vil world that we live in...the dogs suffer for our FASHION.
I wish there was another name for these people - not breeders - breeders suggests relationship with A BREED.
No one has to agree with my POV because really -opinions are like a-holes - everyone has one and generally they're full of you know what. However, if I am yet to see a REASONABLE argument relating to the positives of breeding outside the criteria I specified. I wish I could see some of that, that is what makes debate and discussion interesting!!
I think a few more spoons of concrete wouldn't go astray and a reminder that the ignore button is FANTASTIC!! We all have things we react to and a deep breath and a click of a button make a world of difference
DA - if you have a reasonable argument - why on earth not share it? Both the breeds you have owned and are about to own suffer terribly from BYBs. Ever seen a BYB Newfie? Your opinion is just as valid as anyone elses and we don't HAVE TO AGREE. This isn't lovey dovey fairyland - it is a forum made up of different people who have different ideas and opinions. If you don't speak out, you don't have a chance to test your theories
I like this bit
"I am yet to see a REASONABLE argument relating to the positives of breeding outside the criteria I specified"
this would be assuming your criteria is the only right answer.
Now where is this famous ignore button.
I think it's stupid how youse seem to think a dog is not fit to breed if it hasnt been entered in a show ring. Youse did say that, several times. How stupid is that.
Ask a Border Collie to jump and it'd say, "how high?", ask a Kelpie and he'll ask, "why?"
Okay, at the risk if being flamed again I am going to put an idea out there that has been bothering me since our discussion yesterday. If I am wrong in my theory please tell me, I am not trying to be argumentative.
Ok so there are lots of pure breeds out there with health problems specific to that breed. Why?
Is this a result of the pure breeding itself.
First crossbreeds would not necessarily be healthy, probably not second crosses but from there on in, surely the genetic mix would make for healthier dogs. Just like humans. We have a wide genetic base and mostly produce healthy offspring, occasionally 2 genetic carriers happen to get together and produce an unhealthy infant, it's not all that common and we as humans beings accept this risk when we decide to make a family. If there is a wider genetic base there is less chance of genetic defaults.
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