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    A few less pet dogs might be better for the environment and might stop hoarding of animals. It might promote better ownership too if one had to vie for the ownership of a dog rather than be able to access any breed at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    A few less pet dogs might be better for the environment and might stop hoarding of animals. It might promote better ownership too if one had to vie for the ownership of a dog rather than be able to access any breed at any time.
    Yes, but unfortunately also has the potential for prices to go through the roof I suppose. Supply and demand and all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    So you suggest that to improve a breed = showing?

    SHowing is just a place where a select number of a breed congregate - lots of bitches are never shown.

    It involves health tests, temperment assessments, etc

    Why wouldn't every person want a pet like that?

    In a litter there may be one or two breeding quality dogs - that is where the average person comes in

    Owning a dog is a privilege not a right and people really need to start acknowledging that.

    As a dog owner, you have a responsibility to your dog and to your breed. If your dog adds nothing to your breed - desex it.

    If your dog is a x bred - exactly what is it adding to?

    I loved my x breds but they added nothing to my breed and were desexed accordingly - same as my byb dogs.
    I agree that owning a dog is a privilege, and just for the record, Jenna is de-sexed I have no intention of EVER breeding from any of my dogs. Way too much worry involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tkay View Post
    If this was the case, yes there would probably be no dogs in the shelters but there wouldn't be many pets either surely.
    Simple maths says otherwise. The average litter produces significantly more limited register quality dogs than show dogs, so that in most cases it is reasonable to expect that the majority of offspring will be sold off by reputable breeders as pets, filling the need for pets and hopefully producing healthier and better quality dogs in the process.

    Cross breeding is nothing more than a crap shoot and IMO is done in the vast majority of cases for the simple pursuit of $ or otherwise selfish reasons with no regard for the pups' health & temperament, two of the main reasons why the shelters are over-flowing.

    The other reason of course is impulse buyers (often buying "cheap" dogs that they then discover are not so cheap or easy to maintain and/or don't behave as expected).

    Reputable breeders promote the quality of their dogs in terms of both health & temperament, often providing guarantees. You only get that when breeders breed for the dogs' best interest rather than their own. It is also done with years and years of experience and knowledge and not simply breeding on a whim "because their dog is lovely".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tkay View Post
    Yes, but unfortunately also has the potential for prices to go through the roof I suppose. Supply and demand and all that.
    I beg to differ! The shelters are OVERFLOWING with dogs and puppies at present! If no cross breeding...BYB breeding...Puppy mill breeding was done...maybe we would just have the right amount of dogs in this country and didn't have to resort to 1000's and 1000's of dogs being PTS every single year. While cross breeding/BYB breeeding/Puppy mill breeding are still done...the shelters will continue to overflow.

    Sure...prices could go up...but hopefully that would stop impulse buys and people getting a dog..."just because they can" and then ditching them at the pound when they become too much to handle on a daily basis. It would force people to be more careful and to do their homework BEFORE purchasing a dog!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    I beg to differ! The shelters are OVERFLOWING with dogs and puppies at present! If no cross breeding...BYB breeding...Puppy mill breeding was done...maybe we would just have the right amount of dogs in this country and didn't have to resort to 1000's and 1000's of dogs being PTS every single year. While cross breeding/BYB breeeding/Puppy mill breeding are still done...the shelters will continue to overflow.

    Sure...prices could go up...but hopefully that would stop impulse buys and people getting a dog..."just because they can" and then ditching them at the pound when they become too much to handle on a daily basis. It would force people to be more careful and to do their homework BEFORE purchasing a dog!

    Yeh, I think we covered that.

    I was just suggesting if there was no alternative, prices could go up and considering some pure breeds already cost $1500 and much much more, I wonder what they would cost if there were no where else to go. Just wondering. Not arguing. I'm all for people thinking twice and not buying dogs on impulse but prices upwards of $2000 would price out an awful lot of responsible owners too.
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    Wow all this purebreed breeding and the dogs still aren't perfect, still a larger quantity on the limited register.
    Hows longs purebreed breeding being going for? They still haven't got it right.
    By your theories of this perfect breeding over time shouldn't they all be top quality by now given how many generations that have passed.
    Tkay i for one wasn't upset by your comment i dont live a self absorbed world of political correctness, wasn't that long ago i saw a soup nazi on TV, oh thats right he was called that by a jewish person mmmm.......(thinks double standard)
    As for money and dogs, ALL breeders are in it for the money otherwise why would we have such exhoborant prices on dogs.
    Here's a tip if you want to stop BYB/puppy mills from making money start offering quality purebreed dogs free of charge, what would be the point of puppy mills/BYB if people were getting quality purebreed dogs free?

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    A yes us Jews and our double standards hey? Pls take you anti semitism somewhere else.

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    Now, now i wasn't being anti-semetic i was merely pointing out a double standard, move on and dont try and paint me that way

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    Final post then I'm outta here.

    I entered this thread because I wanted to discuss options of registering and health testing cross breed dogs. IMO there is no problem with the actual crossbreeding, it is the fact that any Tom **** or Sally can do it without testing the parents. Jenna is a crossbreed, obviously, she is a Golden Retriever x Samoyed. I think she is the most beautiful dog I have ever seen and if her parents had been health screened she would not be facing the problems with her hips (well, she may be there are no guarantees). Crossbreeding can produce stunning dogs,not all I know, I'm not for all the crosses that are out there, some make your eyes water but MOSTLY you can get and idea of what the dog will look like and whether the cross would be successful. Stick to similar sized dogs as parents for a start.

    I have never said it is ok to churn out litter after litter, I do not condone BYB unless done very carefully and I absolutely abhore Puppy Mills. I merely wanted to express my opinion on the crossbreeds themselves and ways to help the over supply by regulating them rather than stopping all crossbreeding altogether.

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