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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    OK...let me backtrack a bit....I said....if you buy from a BYB or a cross bred dog...you are enabling that side of the pet industry...period and that is when all hell broke loose. If you breed cross bred dogs...then YES you are a BYB, because you sure as hell are not a registered breeder...breeding for temperament...soundness and health! If you ARE a registered breeder...breeding solely for...lets say...coat colour as in blue Staffies to obtain more money for a pup...for financial gain without taking into account any health or temperament issue...then you are a BYB too! If you breed from your Limited register dog (which was put on limited for a reason because IT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR BREEDING)...then you are a BYB! If you mass-produce puppies...then you are a puppy mill regardless of having a breeders prefix or not.

    Cross bred dogs are the majority of dogs coming through shelters/pounds. If people stopped breeding X breeds...the influx of puppies/dogs in shelters would SIGNIFICANTLY reduce! It would also SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the amount of dogs/puppies being PTS every single year!

    OF COURSE it is easier to backtrack health and temperament issues in papered dogs! Instead of dealing with...lets say...10 different breeds with their own breeding lines, spread all over the country side with NO documentation...you are dealing with ONE breed...each dog/bitch having their own breeding line and it can be backtracked AND documented should anything arise!
    I do agree with most of this, I was trying to point out that if regulations were put in place, cross breeding and health testing would be viable, especially if it was a first cross. Obviously this is not the case at the moment. However I DO still disagree that the ONLY reason to breed is to improve the breed, and if a dog is placed on the limited register just because it's head wasn't quite the "right" shape or the dog was not up to "show quality" for some other reason but health and temperament were good, then I see no reason not to responsibly breed from them and produce healthy puppies that would be pure bred but not necessarily "show quality"

    I know most of the dogs coming through the shelters are x breeds that is why I was trying to make the point about all people who breed (or maybe it should be sell, given the breeding can be accidental) should have to register and be monitered. It's the proliferation of BYBs that is the problem, not necessarily the cross breeding itself. And puppy farms are another matter entirely and should be against the law, without a doubt
    Last edited by Tkay; 12-23-2009 at 01:54 PM.
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    Dorte, Occy. Bravo
    I can't add anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Dorte, Occy. Bravo
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    Thanx MyF...still banging my head against the keyboard here

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    I know! I applaud your calm attitude!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Dorte, Occy. Bravo
    I can't add anymore.
    *bows*

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    It's all so black and white eh?

    No room for any decent discussion. You still haven't told me why you shouldn't breed from a dog on the limited reigister, surely they are health and temperament tested so what is the moral problem with that.

    Any Occy, well your posts really started to not make alot of sense but still people applaud you. I think you should put in for sainthood on here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tkay View Post
    However I DO still disagree that the ONLY reason to breed is to improve the breed, and if a dog is placed on the limited register just because it's head wasn't quite the "right" shape or the dog was not up to "show quality" for some other reason but health and temperament were good, then I see no reason not to responsibly breed from them and produce healthy puppies that would be pure bred but not necessarily "show quality"
    For what purpose??

    And this is how you end up with puppies that suffer from bite problems...breathing problems....brains that are too big for their skulls..."just because the head wasn't the right shape". The standards are created for a reason...to maintain the integrity of the dog primarily for health reasons!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    I know! I applaud your calm attitude!
    trust me....keyboard took some pounding today...I can tell ya...

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    Tkay - just because you can't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't make sense *hehe*

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    Yeh, I'm trying not to lose it too, with the Pure breed Nazis on here. I have avoided confrontation on here as much as possible but it's not DOL so please don't make it so.

    I only said head size as an example, I'm sure there are other more innocent reason the dogs don't make the grade show wise.

    And why would you breed from health a temperament tested none show quality dogs?

    AS HAPPY HEALTHY LOVING COMPANIONS

    As people keep quoting me, I thought I had better explain myself properly. By Pure Breed Nazis I am referring to the Ideology of Nazism - breeding a pure race. IMO the idea of Eugenics is similar to pure breeding in dogs. However I do apologise for any offense I have caused anybody by using this reference.
    Last edited by Tkay; 12-29-2009 at 08:41 AM. Reason: To explain my meaning
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