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    whilst you are entitled to your criticism Peter - I would think that any dog lover would be disgusted by anyone who chooses to create a situation for their dog could potentially add to the problem of overbreeding. Sometimes I really really want to post a few photos of dogs that have been pts simply because there were no homes for them. If you do not desex your dog, you are in part to blame for the dogs in shelters. Registered breeder or not. Some people do something about it by rescuing or at least taking their own back - some choose to ignore it. At least registered breeders - some of them anyway - are breeding to continue and improve a breed. Why are you breeding? None of my business? Of course not.

    I can't abide by anyone who knowingly adds to the problem in our pounds by breeding for anything less than improving a breed.

    Don't like it? Tough titties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    whilst you are entitled to your criticism Peter - I would think that any dog lover would be disgusted by anyone who chooses to create a situation for their dog could potentially add to the problem of overbreeding. Sometimes I really really want to post a few photos of dogs that have been pts simply because there were no homes for them. If you do not desex your dog, you are in part to blame for the dogs in shelters. Registered breeder or not. Some people do something about it by rescuing or at least taking their own back - some choose to ignore it. At least registered breeders - some of them anyway - are breeding to continue and improve a breed. Why are you breeding? None of my business? Of course not.

    I can't abide by anyone who knowingly adds to the problem in our pounds by breeding for anything less than improving a breed.

    Don't like it? Tough titties.

    So by this i assume you only have your dogs because your improving the breed ?
    You know nothing about me but because i disagree with your OPINION i am immeadiately adding to the problems in the pound and are not a genuine dog lover. What a joke!!
    I am a responsible dog lover who has had various breeds over the years and have never contributed to the pound. how do i know this? Because i have never bred before.
    Do you know what dogs i have? Do you know why i intend to breed? No you dont, you just formed an opinion of me because i wont desex my dog.

    The whole point of my original post was just proven by you

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    yeah i gave up on this thread ages ago..

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    I have owned pure Breds in an attempt to better the breed. When that didn't work out? Dogs were desexed. Otherwise I have owned desexed rescues. I also spent 10 years or more doing breed rescue. So, no, I am not a hypocrit dear - I am just someone who has seen what indiscriminent and "accidental" breeding has done...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    I have owned pure Breds in an attempt to better the breed. When that didn't work out? Dogs were desexed. Otherwise I have owned desexed rescues. I also spent 10 years or more doing breed rescue. So, no, I am not a hypocrit dear - I am just someone who has seen what indiscriminent and "accidental" breeding has done...
    Peter...we own pure breeds too and when Sumo didn't "come up to scratch" regarding the SBT standard and other reasons...he was desexed immediately! I have also owned desexed rescues and also have an entire SBT bitch right now. If she doesn't "come up to scratch" either regarding her show career...then she will be desexed too.

    It is not about agreeing with everybody on this site...it is about being responsible, which I have said all along. Breeding cross breeds is irresponsible, because what could a litter of cross breeds possibly bring to this world that 1000's of other backyard bred cross breeds haven't already. Crossbreeding doubles up on health issues...makes it impossible to back track heakth issues...clogs up our pounds etc etc.

    I DO practice what I preach. I DO NOT spend ANY money in pet shops who have puppies and kittens. I DO NOT breed just for breeding's sake or for financial gain! I DO desex my dogs if they can not be used for show! I DO NOT buy cross bred dogs from BYB's! I DO cause a stink outside our local pet shop when they have tiny puppies in the door opening! I WILL NEVER support that side of the pet industry

    Peter...you can do whatever you feel like regarding breeding...not desexing etc. It is interesting though...you said this site was "nice" until we hit a subject you didn't agree with and a subject where people have strong opinions.

    I don't care what you call me mate...BYB's etc ARE irresponsible! Not desexing your dogs/bitches IS irresponsible! Having a litter "just because you like your dog and would love a puppy from him/her" IS irresponsible and extremely selfish! I am not saying that some registered breeders are not BYB...because they are!!! Breeding for profits and for example...specific coat colours like blue staffies! It isn't difficult to get a breeders prefix, but it is bloody hard to be a responsible ETHICAL breeder! It take time...effort...and a lot of money and research!

    It saddens me that some people see so lightly on the fact of cross breeding/designer breeding and it nauseates me to think of the 1000's of puppies ending up in the pounds either being PTS or rehomed due to poor placements! BYB do NOT care where the puppies go as long as they end up with a fat wallet of money...pet shops do not care who takes the puppies off them!

    Breeding should ONLY be done for ONE reason and ONE reason only...to IMPROVE the chosen breed! It should be left to people who have done their homework......who health test...who knows what the hell they are doing etc.

    You can scream I am trying to ram my opinions down your throat until it snows in Cairns....I don't care! I am stating MY opinions...which I am quite entitled to just like you are doing! IMO...unless you have registered purebred dogs who are "special" and can bring something special to the chosen breed and by that TO THE PUPPIES...you shouldn't be breeding.

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    You do know that it's nearly just as likely for a dog comnig from a registered breeder to end up in a shelter?
    Ask a Border Collie to jump and it'd say, "how high?", ask a Kelpie and he'll ask, "why?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    Peter...we own pure breeds too and when Sumo didn't "come up to scratch" regarding the SBT standard and other reasons...he was desexed immediately! I have also owned desexed rescues and also have an entire SBT bitch right now. If she doesn't "come up to scratch" either regarding her show career...then she will be desexed too.

    It is not about agreeing with everybody on this site...it is about being responsible, which I have said all along. Breeding cross breeds is irresponsible, because what could a litter of cross breeds possibly bring to this world that 1000's of other backyard bred cross breeds haven't already. Crossbreeding doubles up on health issues...makes it impossible to back track heakth issues...clogs up our pounds etc etc.

    I DO practice what I preach. I DO NOT spend ANY money in pet shops who have puppies and kittens. I DO NOT breed just for breeding's sake or for financial gain! I DO desex my dogs if they can not be used for show! I DO NOT buy cross bred dogs from BYB's! I DO cause a stink outside our local pet shop when they have tiny puppies in the door opening! I WILL NEVER support that side of the pet industry

    Peter...you can do whatever you feel like regarding breeding...not desexing etc. It is interesting though...you said this site was "nice" until we hit a subject you didn't agree with and a subject where people have strong opinions.

    I don't care what you call me mate...BYB's etc ARE irresponsible! Not desexing your dogs/bitches IS irresponsible! Having a litter "just because you like your dog and would love a puppy from him/her" IS irresponsible and extremely selfish! I am not saying that some registered breeders are not BYB...because they are!!! Breeding for profits and for example...specific coat colours like blue staffies! It isn't difficult to get a breeders prefix, but it is bloody hard to be a responsible ETHICAL breeder! It take time...effort...and a lot of money and research!

    It saddens me that some people see so lightly on the fact of cross breeding/designer breeding and it nauseates me to think of the 1000's of puppies ending up in the pounds either being PTS or rehomed due to poor placements! BYB do NOT care where the puppies go as long as they end up with a fat wallet of money...pet shops do not care who takes the puppies off them!

    Breeding should ONLY be done for ONE reason and ONE reason only...to IMPROVE the chosen breed! It should be left to people who have done their homework......who health test...who knows what the hell they are doing etc.

    You can scream I am trying to ram my opinions down your throat until it snows in Cairns....I don't care! I am stating MY opinions...which I am quite entitled to just like you are doing! IMO...unless you have registered purebred dogs who are "special" and can bring something special to the chosen breed and by that TO THE PUPPIES...you shouldn't be breeding.
    Actually, cross breds tend to be more healthy, because their dna is not restricted to the same pool in terms of the breed. If you have a dog who's breed has issues with hip dysplasia, then you have a cross bred, from half the same breed, and a breed that doesn't have a history with the problem, then the cross bred will be less likely to get the problem.

    Also, you do realize their are breeds and dogs who perform roles which dont care about looks? they breed for how well they work, Kelpies etc, if everyone was to breed dogs only if they meet the breed standard, our working dogs in the country would become less skilled over time. Yes, alot of the itmes these dogs are cross breds, alot of the great herding dogs are cross bred. Not all dogs are bred for the show ring.
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    Just for the record my x neo bitch is desexed and my dog is only 12 months old. He is a registered Neopolitan Mastiff with a good healthy background. No one has even asked what i had they just all labelled me irresponsible. why would i desex a 12 month old puppy when he is showing all the signs of being a standout example of the breed?
    Occy i never called you a hypocrite? I simply asked you a question .
    I see by your profile you are a teacher, maybe you should use that skill to try and educate people not just put them down because they dont share your view.
    Cleasanta, i'm glad your a responsible breeder, i havent supported anywhere crossbreeding and half the otherstuff you wrote so get down of your soapbox and take a deep breath. ( you guys really miss the point i'm trying to make, you use the whole one glove fits all)
    Do you breed your dogs from home? How long have you been breeding for? Was there a day when you were "NEW" to breeding? Did you get any support or just criticism?
    Peter

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    I'm sure I'm taking a huge risk of getting flamed but I cant see how just because I own an entire male makes me an irrisponsible owner?
    I'm looking at becoming a registered breeder (not for a few years yet) I'll still have to take the same steps I'm taking now to ensure I dont end up with unwanted litters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    Peter...we own pure breeds too and when Sumo didn't "come up to scratch" regarding the SBT standard and other reasons...he was desexed immediately! I have also owned desexed rescues and also have an entire SBT bitch right now. If she doesn't "come up to scratch" either regarding her show career...then she will be desexed too.

    It is not about agreeing with everybody on this site...it is about being responsible, which I have said all along. Breeding cross breeds is irresponsible, because what could a litter of cross breeds possibly bring to this world that 1000's of other backyard bred cross breeds haven't already. Crossbreeding doubles up on health issues...makes it impossible to back track heakth issues...clogs up our pounds etc etc.

    I DO practice what I preach. I DO NOT spend ANY money in pet shops who have puppies and kittens. I DO NOT breed just for breeding's sake or for financial gain! I DO desex my dogs if they can not be used for show! I DO NOT buy cross bred dogs from BYB's! I DO cause a stink outside our local pet shop when they have tiny puppies in the door opening! I WILL NEVER support that side of the pet industry

    Peter...you can do whatever you feel like regarding breeding...not desexing etc. It is interesting though...you said this site was "nice" until we hit a subject you didn't agree with and a subject where people have strong opinions.

    I don't care what you call me mate...BYB's etc ARE irresponsible! Not desexing your dogs/bitches IS irresponsible! Having a litter "just because you like your dog and would love a puppy from him/her" IS irresponsible and extremely selfish! I am not saying that some registered breeders are not BYB...because they are!!! Breeding for profits and for example...specific coat colours like blue staffies! It isn't difficult to get a breeders prefix, but it is bloody hard to be a responsible ETHICAL breeder! It take time...effort...and a lot of money and research!

    It saddens me that some people see so lightly on the fact of cross breeding/designer breeding and it nauseates me to think of the 1000's of puppies ending up in the pounds either being PTS or rehomed due to poor placements! BYB do NOT care where the puppies go as long as they end up with a fat wallet of money...pet shops do not care who takes the puppies off them!

    Breeding should ONLY be done for ONE reason and ONE reason only...to IMPROVE the chosen breed! It should be left to people who have done their homework......who health test...who knows what the hell they are doing etc.

    You can scream I am trying to ram my opinions down your throat until it snows in Cairns....I don't care! I am stating MY opinions...which I am quite entitled to just like you are doing! IMO...unless you have registered purebred dogs who are "special" and can bring something special to the chosen breed and by that TO THE PUPPIES...you shouldn't be breeding.
    I know alot of you will definitely not agree with me on this but I just wanted to point out and answer to the blue bit above - Lots of love, devotion happiness, loyalty, that's what they bring to this world! I have to admit this whole "Only reason to breed is to improve the breed" stuff just doesn't sit right with me at all. Are you really saying the only reason we have dogs is to show them! Dogs - pure breeds, crosses, both bring so much happiness into the world I cannot agree the only reason they are here is for some Dog Breeder to improve their breed (presumably to the standard set by the ANKC), Sorry I couldn't give a stuff what the ANKC thinks of my dog, she is gorgeous in every way. Can you also tell me how you can keep improving a breed. I really don't get it, aren't the champion show dogs already the best so how do you keep improving them? I guess people's ideas of 'improving' could be very different to that of the ANKC given the health issues some pure breeds are having just to conform to standard (Shorter and shorter muzzles etc)

    The argument I do agree with, against Cross breeds, are the health issues. If this could be addressed with Crossbreed breeders health testing their dogs it would help but, as has been pointed out before, all the health testing in the world does not guarantee a healthy litter. I also STRONGLY agree on the desexing part. Unless you really intend to be a responsible breeder (including crossbreeds) then get your dog de-sexed and you know there will be no accidents. Simple really.

    Also I am fed up with BYB and Puppy Mills being bundled together in the same group. I would imagine most BYB love their dogs and are breeding them out of, mostly, misguided love for the dog. They want another puppy or they want to experience the miracle of birth. I'm not saying these are valid reasons to breed but it is NOT the same as Puppy Mills where dogs are kept in dreadful conditions and bred over and over again. Not the same thing at all.

    Sorry for the ramble, hope it mostly makes sense.

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