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  1. #11
    Join Date
    Jul 2010


    Quote Originally Posted by tange View Post
    Yeah I didn't know about crate training and the importance of it before owning a dog =D I'm buying the crate from the breeder so that he is already comfortable with the same crate. I also bought a kennel / dog house as well in case he prefers to go in there when he gets bigger
    Haha we don't have grass or soil in our garden because my family decided to change everything to concrete so I don't think my dog can dig a hole in the concrete, which also means I'll be using a dog toilet with fake grass lol

    We were initially going to get a GSD and we were conflicted about choosing between a GDS and a Kelpie. We ended up deciding on a Kelpie because (comparatively speaking) GSD tend to have more health issues or genetic conditions than kelpies. I know it is important to get a dog from a good breeder to avoid those health issues, but I think it's more likely to have a healthier kelpie than GSD if they both came from a good breeder. Cost wise, my kelpie ended up being around $1300 and I got him from a reputable breeder while a GSD from the same quality breeder was most likely going to cost me $2000+ Another problem is with the shedding. Both dogs shed but we could tolerate the amount of shedding from Kelpies based on our previous dog. I did some research and from what I've heard, GSD shed huge amounts 24/7 particularly during certain seasons. I don't think my mum would be able to tolerate that because she is a neat freak who hates too much dog hair.
    10 years ago when we were looking into getting a new pup after losing our beloved Border Collie, my Mum really wanted a GSD, but ended up getting a Kelpie instead because they're a more manageable size, less health issues and we wanted a dog that could be a capable working dog for our farm if we needed it.

    That is where my love of Kelpies began, deep down they're probably still my favourite breed of dog

    Is your pup from show or working lines?

    Also feel free to share photos of your new pup when you get him, I'm sure he is totally gorgeous!!

  2. #12


    We got him from Working line simple because I've heard really good stuff about Noonbarra. They are willing to find a puppy with suitable temperament for our family and circumstances. They've had awesome reviews from suburban families. I find that show line people who I contacted really had nasty things to say about working lines but Noonbarra reassured me that their kelpie is happy and calm as long as they receive adequate exercise, love and attention.

  3. #13
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    melbourne australia


    Mum's a neat freak, no soil or grass in the garden? you're not of italian heritage by any chance? lol
    Kelpie is a lovely choice. Clearly, you've a penchant for herders, and have done your homework.

    and yeah, you are so right about the shedding

    I wouldnt touch a conformation GSD with yours honey.
    Only interested in working lines here.
    Last edited by bernie; 09-25-2015 at 07:17 AM.

  4. #14
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    melbourne australia


    Can you work and have dogs?
    it sure would of been easier today, if i did not have 2 injured dogs to provide care too. At the end of a pretty crap day in very busy Footy mad population melbourne, public mental health services.
    In life, strength, comes when it is the ONLY option. That goes for stepping up to the plate, dog ownership wise. You will always be too short of time.

  5. #15
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    South Australia


    Hi Tange.

    Just wondered how you went with your kelpie and this schedule. I am just about to being a border collie pup home and am in a similar situation!


  6. #16
    Join Date
    Aug 2009


    Psst Nell - this thread is two years old and Tange hasn't been on for year (click on their name) - you never know but don't get your hopes up.

  7. #17


    In case anyone else wants to know about working and having a puppy, yes it can be done with friends/family, and much less sleep for the first few weeks.

    Take annual leave for some time, 2 weeks or more if you can, and at least 1 week. I took 2 weeks off. Then spend that time doing all the training and socialising and most importantly build up your puppy to be left alone for a few hours. Start with half hour, then gradually increase it to 1 hour, then 2 hours or 3 hours. At 8 weeks they might need to pee every 2 hours. If its a bigger dog, then they tend to hold it better.

    After my period of annual leave, I took approximately 2 hours off everyday for the next 3 weeks (1 day a week). This meant I had a long lunch break to visit the puppy. If you can't have a long lunch break, then a quick visit is fine too. After I got back to work, I left him alone for 3 hours at a time, getting friends/family to visit if my lunch break wasn't enough. Then I kept gradually pushing that window to 4 hours at a time. It's also possible to get a dog sitter early on, if you feel that the dog isn't so good at being left alone. My dog was quite independent but got bored easily, and he got used to someone seeing him in the middle of the day, so I just kept going with it. As others have said, if the house is intact, then he's fine. If you leave and come back to find him obviously having slept the whole time, then he's fine too.

    I also made a schedule before I got the dog, but I had to keep revising it because he just had his own schedule. So my advice is make a schedule too (something like OP's is fine), but don't worry too much over it, you will figure it out with the pup and make tweaks to it. If you want another sample schedule to consider, this was Cedar's as a pup, it has a lot of sleep time because he goes crazy biting if he stays awake for too long.

    10pm-5am Sleep
    5am-630an Playtime, training with snacks, cuddletime
    630-8am Sleep
    8am-9am Breakfast then walk
    9am-1230pm In crate
    1230pm - 2pm Playtime, a walk and some training
    2pm - 530pm In crate
    530pm - 7pm Playtime, dinner, then walk
    7pm - 9pm Sleep
    9pm - 10pm Quiet time chewing
    By 10pm Go to bed

    If its a high energy pup, he will not sit still and go to sleep when you're around, so I wouldn't expect to be able to do housework or watch tv or relax. He will be trying to keep himself entertained by chewing random stuff. Certainly toys, kong, chew toys can entertain them, but also be prepared that they may just want to play with you and ignore all the toys. My little rascal was like that, didn't want to play with his toys unless I played with him. It's still possible to get him to like his toys, but its additional work. All that said, if there is something specific that you need to do on your own without the pup, yes it's always possible but start that training as soon as you bring him home. For me, I played the violin every day at least an hour, so I started by getting him used to the violin with treats and slowly increased the time I played and eventually got him in the routine such that whenever I played the violin, he went to sleep.

    To prevent separation anxiety at that young age, the general advice is to keep comings and goings low key. Come and go like it's nothing, like you're just going to put the rubbish out. If you have time to crate train them, and your pup succesfully takes to the crate, then it will help toilet train and also prevent any destruction in the house while you're away. At that young age, don't crate the pup for more than 4 hours. Mental stimulation will help to tire him out, especially if you can't walk the puppy for too long.
    A whole variety of basic commands: sit, stay, drop, stand, give, take it, spin, shake hands, high five, leave it. If he's mastered them all, do variations of these things. Make him drop and walk around him and over him and in front of him. Make him leave the treat alone, then do a high five then let him have the treat. If you have more than one person looking after the puppy, do your best to be consistent. If one person lets the pup jump on strangers then you have a much harder time trying to stop him from doing that. That said, I had several friends help me look after the pup, its just not possible to control everything, so I just picked one or two things I was focusing the training on and let my friends know.

    Enroll in a puppy school. It's a young pup so there will be some issue or another, be it chewing or barking or jumping, he could be super confident and want to investigate everything or he could be super scared and shy. At a puppy class there is the opportunity to ask about whatever issue you are facing. The problem with working full time (or part time) is that there is less time to train or socialise and less time for everything. Puppies learn through frequent repetition, so if you can only teach him things early morning and evenings then it will take longer to train whatever you're training him (e.g toilet train). Because of not being around all the time, its likely they will have a few accidents. That's ok, they will eventually get it.

    Be prepared for not enough sleep, and being super exhausted for the first couple of weeks. For me and my golden retriever, it was only after 4 weeks that I stopped feeling like a zombie all the time. Be prepared to double and triple whatever patience you have, the pup is young and he doesn't know what you want him to do. He might figure it out today and forget tomorrow, or he might get distracted halfway and forget about the training. He might know it really well for 3 weeks and then suddenly get it wrong. That's all normal for a young puppy. You might really want to go to bed, but suddenly he's full of energy. If it's your first puppy, you will make mistakes and that's ok, they're quite resilient. One of the best advice given to me is that if you find yourself too tired or too grumpy with the puppy, just separate the pup and you. If crate training, put him in the crate. It's better to separate them before you start yelling, or making mistakes in the interaction that you might have to undo later. Unless the puppy's got major issues like resource guarding or aggression, everything is fine so try not to get too worried about anything.

    Finally enjoy the little pupper. He's only going to be little and soooo cute for such a short time. Oh and take lots and lots of pictures and videos, in no time at all he will be all grown up and you'll be wishing you had more photos of his cute little face.
    Last edited by Yying; 05-08-2017 at 09:45 PM.

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