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    I think you have to be very sure about who breeds pups, just because someone is a private breezed doesn't mean that they do everything in the dog's best interest, frequently it is still about making money.

    I have just bought a pup from Adora ble Design er Pup pies in W oods ide, Vict oria, they are registered, and a very impressive with the way they go about their business. Really lovely people who are so very helpful, I ran into some puppy farmers on my journey of looking for my little mate. Good luck but please be careful, there are some very professi0onal looking businesses, with fancy web sites and some on face book who are in reality puppy farmers!!! Good luck
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    Marls Park

    I think you have been scammed. From their website

    All our breeding dogs are fed on supercoat puppy dog food which is a well balanced diet, no need for additional vitamins or minerals. Also a small amount of good quality canned food. They get plenty of exercise as they live in large outside yards that are well equipped to provide for them.
    Because they cross breed they would not be eligible for registration with ANKC. Most puppy buyers who read that the breeder is "registered" are thinking ANKC registered to breed pedigree dogs, not registered with the local council - who makes money from puppy farming. Some new owners even try to get in to the dog show scene and get very disappointed when they cannot enter any conformation shows. And they can't enter any other ANKC shows unless they get their mutt desexed.

    You get better value from a shelter puppy.

    They keep the dogs in yards outside - so they are not living with a family and they will not get enough people time to be good with people - this is especially a problem with the "retired breeders". They probably get taken away from their mother too young to develop good doggy manners which means they will not get along with dogs at the park or going for a walk without a lot of training on your part.

    There is no code of ethics.

    Which means the bitches are possibly continually being bred with no time to heal up between litters ie 18 months at least between litters.

    There is no health guarantee. And no health testing. Small crosses like this can be prone to spine problems, mouth problems (teeth need to be pulled to prevent life threatening gum infections)

    Did you meet the parent dogs to check they had nice temperaments and were good with people? Did you see written documentation including DNA tests to show that there was no doubling up on bad genes? Did you see the place where the puppies are born and raised to make sure it's not puppy mill or did you take their word for it?

    They have cross breeds listed as "designer breeds" and make promises they can't keep like "low allergy" and "don't shed much". The cavoodle page is full of such promises - they can't guarantee any of that. You're just as likely to get a highly neurotic escape artist dog that sheds immensely and never stops barking.

    Two different breeds of dog mated together does not make a hybrid because to get a hybrid you must mate two different species - so as breeders - they don't understand the terms they are using. So how can you trust anything they say on their page.

    And you always need to get information about the breeder from sources other than their own web page - because they're not going to put up the bad reviews on their own web page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marls Park View Post
    I think you have to be very sure about who breeds pups, just because someone is a private breezed doesn't mean that they do everything in the dog's best interest, frequently it is still about making money.

    I have just bought a pup from Adora ble Design er Pup pies in W oods ide, Vict oria, they are registered, and a very impressive with the way they go about their business. Really lovely people who are so very helpful, I ran into some puppy farmers on my journey of looking for my little mate. Good luck but please be careful, there are some very professi0onal looking businesses, with fancy web sites and some on face book who are in reality puppy farmers!!! Good luck
    Yes sadly registered means registered with the council but not with any dog association that has a code of ethics. Really puppies need to be raised and socialised in a home environment and their parents need to have had health testing done that ensures they are clear of genetic diseases like PRA or any other disease common to a particular breed. Parents also need to be hip and elbow scored and the breeder needs to be doing this with all breeding stock to reduce the chances of hip and elbow dysplasia.

    These days when I buy a pup I need the breeder to give me proof of the relevant DNA testing and hip and elbow scores. If they are reputable they will have this information. My last breeder gave me copies of all the certificates. She also raised and socialised the puppies with her family. The breeder of my working dog took my pup out and about with her until I was able to pick him up at 10 weeks old to give him a head start on socialisation for me.

    Your pup might be totally fine but there are many that are not, a bit of the luck of the draw, but if you are the unlucky one it usually ends in tears and expense. Having been around dogs all my life I have seen those tears all to often. I have also been unfortunate enough to have a dog from untested lines have elbow dysplasia.

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    I may have a Boy available. He wont be ready to go to his new home till July 10, or July 17 if he needs to fly interstate. Previous person who was to receive this boy apparently could not wait and wanted one NOW and bought one from none of the breeders I know of.
    If you do decide to correspond with the Japanese Spitz Club of NSW on FB, Talk to Amanda White. She does not breed JS, but she has a great knowledge of JS and can give you an unbiased view on breeders.
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    NewBee, I know you haven't been online since my previous post, but I can only hold the offer till the next puppy viewing on Saturday. Lets hope you see this before then, as I've sort of let you jump the queue a bit.

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    Did newbee not send you any proper contact details (like an email or phone number). That's sad.

    It's also sad that someone could not wait and bought from an unregistered breeder...

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    Very true Hyacinth. Have a feeling this other person bought from a pet shop. Newbee has not sent any contact info, though I was impressed that Newbee did appreciate the advice I gave via PM.
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    'mitte' - Maybe the OP bought a pup from the private breeder that already had pups on the ground ?

    The question was asked:

    Hi, what about from private breeders who claim the parents are both from registered breeders? I have contacted a private breeder and have visited their home - seems like a good family, and the puppies are well socialised as they have both the parents of the puppies, as well as couple of children to play with them.
    BTW - Thank you for all that you did for this OP !

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    The baby boy met his new forever family today.
    He will be going to a home on acreage close to us. The family have previously owned a JS who sadly passed away , but had lived a long happy life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitte View Post
    The baby boy met his new forever family today.
    He will be going to a home on acreage close to us. The family have previously owned a JS who sadly passed away , but had lived a long happy life.
    Woohoo 1.jpg - So pleased for you and the little boy ! Good stuff !

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