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    hi orkneyguy28

    I wouldn't bother trying to cover him with the umbrella. He's gotta learn the faster he performs the sooner he can get warm and dry. I wouldn't stop him from being under the umbrella - I just wouldn't go out of my way to hold it over him.

    I think you give him a bit too much time wandering unsupervised - too much opportunity for accidents if you're busy.

    It is also good to get him used to being in the crate - when you are home as well as when you're out.

    You don't want him locked up for hours and hours, a play pen might be a good option.

    Something like one of these - you can feed him in there.
    Dog Exercise & Play Pens for Dog in Australia | Vebopet.com.au

    Feeding in the crate is good to help him have good feelings about being in there or to protect him from other family members but if he already loves it in there and it's more convenient to feed somewhere easier to clean that's ok too.

    I'm a little bit fuzzy about your routine leading up to kinder but I think something like

    45 minutes before leaving for kinder - put him in the crate for 30 minutes - then take him out for the 15 minutes before kinder - to potty, then put him back while you are doing the kinder run.

    After your errands let him out for a potty and maybe a 10 minute play, eg while you have a coffee break and can watch him - and when you're done - potty again (just in case) and back in the crate until you're ready again. Set cake timers for every 2 hours or when ever you want to let him out again.

    When things are less hectic and you can pay more attention to what he's doing - you can let him run around with you more.

    No food after 6:30pm. I'm not sure about restricting water but if the dry food stops at 6:30pm, the dog is less inclined to want water after about 7:30pm ish.

    Can you get OH to take him out around 10:30pm for potty (even if it's raining - put him on the wet grass)? Otherwise you need to set an alarm and take him out. Try that for a week and then push the alarm time to an hour later.

    I guess that will be about as much fun as having a small human baby again but it's better to work through the pain for a couple of weeks than have a life time of puppy messes... Note - it's always possible to retrain potty if it goes wrong but it always means going back to basics and starting over.

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    Sorry for delay crazy times here.. well we are still having a few accidents in the house i find im taking him out for sometimes 10 or 20 mins on the lead he does nothing then comes in 5 mins later pees etc. Its just constant watching him he is liking the playpen during the day..our routine is a bit messed up at the moment. .we are booked in puppy preschool in January which should help? Nurse said basically just focus on toilet training at the moment. Ive sort of taught him to sit (when hes playing with his toy).

    The times he going to potty overnight are probably only once or twice. Do you think if hes been out at 8.30 etc he would still need to go out at 10.30 even if he is sleeping?

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    hi Orkneyguy28

    Yes I'd still wake him up for the last minute potty.

    I sometimes make the mistake with my adult dog - not to take her out and wait for her to do something -- at 10:30pm eg her last out would have been 8:30... so she wakes me up at 4am cos she's busting. Especially if she's been on 100% kibble (no casserole).

    Your puppy is tiny and his bladder is even more tiny. Don't expect too much.

    And don't come back in before he's performed. He needs to learn: - in order to get back inside - "I must pee... even if I've got nothing - I need to do a puff of steam or she's not going to let me in and she is watching" - no tricking...

    If you are really stuck - you can try bringing him back inside before he's performed but keep him on lead and the second he sniffs the ground - take him back outside again. But I think you will find - it's quicker to stay outside with him being boring... in the good sniff spots. Get your OH to pee where you want him to pee - ahead of time - that might help tho he's a bit too young for leaving pee mail so that might not work.

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    Ok so really if he goes out at 10.30 he might be ok for the rest of the evening/morning? Theres been about 3 nights he hasnt woken me and ive become a light sleeper, and only woken me around 5.30am for a pee.
    Im sure you must be getting bored of my questions but we are getting there..slowly. Bruno is now nearly 11 weeks old and at the moment still have his crate in our room at night as mentioned previously but when should we start aiming to leave his crate in the lounge area overnight? Im thinking not until hes not going to potty overnight? It certainly is a lot more work this puppy business than i probably imagined but i know things will settle down once he's a bit older. Hes certainly a lot of fun though and worth it all.

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    I wouldn't expect him to last all night until he's at least 14 weeks old - so you've got a small ways to go. Taking him out at 10:30pm gives him a much better chance of lasting until nearly morning. I'd still be setting the alarm for 5 or 5:30 am but I'm not much of a risk taker even tho I love my sleep.

    My dog is still sleeping in her bed next to me at night. So I'm maybe not the best person to ask this one. I like having a dog there just in case someone breaks into the house... But I don't have an OH.

    I guess - I would think about 3 months old (14 weeks ish) and definitely when he's reliably holding all night - I'd think about maybe putting the crate in the lounge room or where ever it is you want him to be sleeping at night. You can start by moving it just a little bit (5cm) per night towards where you want him to end up. Then over a period of days - you've moved him out of your room and into the hall... and he's hardly noticed.

    In the mean time - practice some crate time with you home but him in his crate without you ie even when you are home and he could be running around with you - give him some crate time (eg 30 mins) just for practice at doing without you. And you doing with out him. My dog HATES this. If I'm home - she thinks she should be out with me. Takes her a while to get over herself. She's got the routine at dog club but she's not so good about it in other locations like home or my brother's place etc.

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    Thanks Hyacinth in this house we are up around 5.30 anyway thanks to our 5 year old..im always listening for bruno but he has stopped waking like he used to i was taking him out a couple if times a night lately now im going to bed around 9.30 10.00 anyway and his last pee is then..hes still holding on sometimes during the day to a poo and pee til we come back into the house..we go out with him for at least 30 minutes sometimes after a drink or feed and nothing then by the time i catch him its too late inside..just something to work on

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    I think it takes about 30 minutes for food and drink to process in an adult dog to make output.

    So maybe wait 10 to 20 minutes and then take him out. Watch closely for sniffing. If he doesn't go and you relent and bring him inside (I recommend out waiting him - he's only a puppy) keep him on lead and watch him inside... if he so much as looks at the ground - take him back out.

    The trouble with relenting and then he pees inside - is he learns that you will give up... So it's really worth waiting even if it's going to take ages. Take an MP3 player and headphones - so you can watch him and listen to music or podcasts while you're waiting.

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    Sorry for such a delay in replying! We are at our holiday house and still trying to get this toilet training down pat. Hes been doing slightly better but still having lots of accidents inside even if we've waited as i said ages out with him. Hes also started lots of BARKING! He's also doing this barking when we put him in hus crate at night ay bedtime and after overnight potty trips..which at 12.30 and 3.30 am is just great! Any tips on how we can stop him doing this?! Hoping its just a puppy thing.
    We also start puppy school in a couple of weeks time and looking forward to that. Have a very merry christmas and thankyou for your continuing help!

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    Hi orkneyguy28

    Do you put him in the crate with the door closed at any other time (not night time) and is he good then? where is the crate now?

    I'm not sure about your idea of ages. Have you used a stop watch or timer? What are you doing and what is he doing during the ages? Are you taking him outside and keeping him on lead so he can't just entertain himself mouse hunting or exploring? And if he's having an accident inside - you're not watching enough. And if you can't watch enough - especially when he was supposed to potty outside - you need to put him in the crate. Hopefully he doesn't have accidents in the crate?

    What are you cleaning up inside with? Some cleaning products eg things with bleach or ammonia - encourage repeat accidents in the same place.

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    Sorry for such a delay in replying! We are at our holiday house and still trying to get this toilet training down pat. Hes been doing slightly better but still having lots of accidents inside even if we've waited as i said ages out with him. Hes also started lots of BARKING! He's also doing this barking when we put him in hus crate at night ay bedtime and after overnight potty trips..which at 12.30 and 3.30 am is just great! Any tips on how we can stop him doing this?! Hoping its just a puppy thing.
    We also start puppy school in a couple of weeks time and looking forward to that. Have a very merry christmas and thankyou for your continuing help!

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