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    Hi, I'm a newbie. We just recently lost our beautiful 8yo boy dog to cancer and we are left with his 8yo best buddy (girl). Against my wishes, husband bought home a puppy. Normally our girl is ok with other dogs, not overly friendly but not aggressive. She is well trained and know's her place in our home.

    We have had pup for 4 days, he's 6 weeks old (abandoned) and most of the time our girl ignores the pup and walks away from him. If the pup gets too close, girl snaps, snarls and growls.

    We have sectioned off part of our yard for the pup so he is safe but I am worried that her aggression towards him will make him aggressive. I realise its only 4 days but in that time the pup has now taken to giving a quick bark at our girl when she walks away from him, luckily she is ignoring this behaviour atm. Is my worrying warranted and does anyone have any other ideas (other than re-homing the pup).
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    Hi BettyRubble

    The usual process when a dog is abandoned or found lost? is to report it to council and probably to take it onto the council designated pound. It may have been stolen and dumped and someone may be looking for it. In some states (eg Vic) it is illegal to rehome or sell a puppy before it is 8 weeks old. If you did take it to the pound as required legally - then you can also put your name down to adopt it if nobody claims it. I think Ipswich gives the dogs a very short time to be claimed. You would need to follow this up too and not trust the pound to have enough staff to remember to ring you when the time is up. Get all promises and receipt of dog in writing and photo if this is where you end up.

    Puppies at 6 weeks are very vulnerable and haven't developed all their social skills and they certainly are vulnerable to any nasty disease on the street eg parvo. They're at risk of eating things they should not - eg cane toads if in QLD and Northern NSW.

    They need worming extra often, and vaccinating and microchipping (8 weeks and older) and I hope you have that all in place in consultation with your vet.

    I would not be leaving a puppy so young alone in a yard. I would be keeping it in a room with a bed box and maybe a play pen in a safe place inside.

    It will take more than 4 days for both dogs to adjust. More like a month or so. You have to give your older dog lots of praise and attention and treats for being calm around your puppy.

    Have a safe place for each dog in the house where it's their place and they don't get disturbed by the other dog. I would keep the puppy in a crate or pen at all times you're not supervising. I would not let the puppy hassle the older dog - tho it must be very lonely and traumatised by being removed from its litter mates (if any) so young. The puppy is just being a puppy and if this doesn't feel ok with you - then rehome as soon as possible. The younger the puppy - the easier it is to find it a good home. The longer you leave it, the more doomed the puppy becomes.

    This site has heaps of info on how to manage a puppy. You will probably need to join but it's worth it.
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    Thank you for moving my post and your response Hyacinth. The puppy was left at a rental house that my husband went to quote on for work, the owner of the property gave him the pup and as my husband is a soft touch, he took it.

    We took the pup straight to the vet for worming, vaccination and a general health check, we are taking him back in 2 weeks for a check up to make sure he's doing ok, then again in another 2 weeks for the rests of his vaccinations, worming and mico chipping. Apart from a flea infestation and being slightly anemic, he wasn't too bad health wise, just needed a good bath, a good feed and a warm safe bed.

    His yard run is off the laundry so he has a safe place to sleep and we don't leave him unattended with our grumpy old girl. It's now day 7 and pup has settled quite well, grumpy girl isn't growling or snarling anymore, just walks away. If i'm holding the pup and patting the old girl, she's quite happy to sniff the pup and wag her tail so hopefully, in time, she will accept him.

    I've booked the pup in to puppy pre school at our local vets so I'm hoping that by socialising him with other puppies, he won't become traumatised by how our girl has treated him. Thank you again for your suggestions Hyacinth, I appreciate your concerns and, even though we probably didn't do the right thing as far as the rules are concerned, we feel we did do the right thing for the pup and he will be with us for a very long time.
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    Hi BettyRubble

    Seems like you're doing all the right things.

    I would be tempted to phone up the RSPCA and discuss the problem with them, they could probably locate the tenants with help from the police.

    There might be a bitch and more puppies in trouble. Ie they moved, took the mum and most of the puppies with but they didn't find that one...

    Or he could have been stolen by the tenants and dumped when they moved. They should not be allowed to own pets.

    Does the vet have any guess on how big he might get? Tan and black with a bit of white - could be some sort of farm dog mix (medium size) or a Rottie or Doberman mix (really big)? Or something else?

    I guess you're not thinking of rehoming any more. I'm sure he will have a wonderful home with you.

    But you might want to talk to the RSPCA or AWL or a rescue org in your area (you can look them up on PetRescue - Inspired by unconditional love - PetRescue ) if your husband finds another puppy. So you have a plan or a phone number to call to help out.

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    How's the pup going now Bettyubble?

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    Well good for you for trying to give the puppy a new life. I have also had a puppy who was only five weeks when rescued and yes they do take more care and especially the socialisation part.....i would not be to concerned about your old girl telling the puppy off or growling at it as this is the older bitch , socialising your puppy. Unless she is truly aggressive we should not intervene as long as it is supervised. Also make sure the puppy is not on your lap when you are petting them both. No difference in height, the puppy should have four on the floor, always when you are interacting with your other dog, same as small dogs. I leave my older dogs to educate my puppies. it has made all my puppies well mannered around other dogs. My tessa especially can be quite firm with puppies........I am one of the socialisation before vaccination people.i find socialising very important in young dogs, I do pick my environments (clean as possible) and pick my other dogs, well mannered and cared for. But I refuse to wait until the last vaccinations before i get my pups used to different environments/situations/people and dogs. especailly puppies that have been compromised. But i do not expect my dogs to be friendly with all dogs, i just want them to be well mannered/polite and such with other dogs. i actually hate puppy classes where they are all allowed to just play and run around. I do not think that makes for a good polite dog. It makes for dogs that expect to be allowed to play with every dog they see. I like some control and some short play periods ,I like puppies to be around older good/well trained dogs and learn manners..I am not sure why we now all expect our dogs to go to places and just play with each other madly out of control ...........good luck with your puppy
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    I agree with Newfsie.

    Puppy classes need the puppies to learn greetings in a supervised way - and not allow bullying and other things that puppies do to each other.

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    Thank you everyone, pup is doing just fine, the old girl is tolerating him a lot better, still snapping but only when he gets in her face. He's certainly a handful and after having two well behaved, quiet old dogs, this puppy certainly is a wake up call. My husband spoke with the house owner to see if he knew where the tenants went but sadly no, the tenants did around $15,000 worth of damage to the property, courtesy of a very slack property manager so I'm sure if the owner knew where they were, they would have the wrath of odin descend on them. We are off to puppy school tomorrow night, hopefully to teach the little bug a few manners about biting feet as you walk. I do feel sorry for our old girl, it must be so confusing for her loosing her best mate then having to cope with this bundle of trouble, we do try and give her lots of cuddles and attention and a quiet place to rest her head. Thank you all again for your advice and comments, it really did makes things a lot easier knowing that our girl's reaction was fairly normal. As for what size the pup will grow to...who knows...we love surprises we've always had large dogs so we aren't overly concerned, as long as he keeps his good nature and resilience, we'll all be fine.

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    Hi BettyRubble

    Thanks so much for the update.

    I used to have problems with my brother's dog licking my feet - cured that by applying a large amount of rid to stop the mozzies from sucking on them and it did really well as dog repellent.

    Not very good for dog but she never tried licking my feet again.

    Those tenants read like the sort of people who should not be allowed to own dogs let alone rent... sigh.

    Ah - bite inhibition... take something with you that he's allowed to bite. Tug toy, chew toy, or toilet roll or something... and do the toddler bait and switch... ie switch puppy off your feet and onto something more acceptable.

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