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    Hello all,
    I'm guessing at this stage, but thinking that my 4 month old pup has a possible bladder or urinary tract infection which has developed fast tonight. She had one a couple of weeks ago and was on pink antibiotic tablets (all gone now and I can't remember the name). It was a behavioural based diagnosis as she's still toilet training and we couldn't get a urine sample without freaking her out. Tonight she seems distressed though, circling, repeatedly attempting to wee unsuccessfully, and then when she does it obviously stings. She peed inside 3 times which is really unusual and I noticed a spot of blood in one puddle. I've checked each time since then I haven't seen any blood.

    She broke a dew claw last week which was a bit stressful and her tummy has been a little upset since then so I had her on rice for a couple of days and smaller, more regular feeds. I put her back on small serves of dry food tonight and then this.. We will be at the vet's first thing in the morning, but I hope she is going to settle and it's not going to be a problem for her. I'd be grateful for any pearls of wisdom; some of you might have been through this before! Cheers Merlot c.jpgage 4 months.jpg

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    Welcome back Persephone

    No idea. It is a bit icky that you've already been through a course of anti biotics and it came back. Just makes the germs tougher when that happens.

    The stress of busting the dew claw may have reduced the immune system enough to let the germs get hold again maybe? Has she been desexed already - cos sometimes that goes wrong and causes the problem.

    What dry food are you feeding? Maybe something else would work better?

    you could do some basic shaping to get her to stand over or let you put a cup under her or something. Ie give her treats for standing over a cup and then standing over it while you hold it - actually a narrow tray might be easier than a cup (will never ask for ice again at your place).

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    You made me laugh anyway, Hyacinth! That's a really good plan about the treats for standing over a container (maybe not a cup, I thought even a plastic lid might hold enough to give a sample).

    Merlot is currently having 2/3 Purina Pro Plan Puppy - Lamb & Rice, & 1/3 Supercoat Puppy. The reason for the blend is that her breeder had changed to the Supercoat after we'd bought a large bag of the Purina that he'd been previously feeding the litter.

    She's not desexed yet, although the vet said that she's large enough to do if they needed to operate for the dew claw.

    I just went outside to check and she immediately puddled on the patio; at least it's not on the futon where she's sleeping tonight with Baillie, my beautiful 7 y.o Springer. Time to call it a night and perhaps check if I hear whimpers. Will check with the vet about the food in the morning, and I'll try my luck for a sample - while I think of my visitors asking for ice. lol Night

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    Back from the vet with a bucketload of Clavulox for the UTI again; whole tabs this time instead of 3/4 last time and a lot more of them, also another antibiotic for the upset stomach. I'd managed to get samples of both. She was not so distressed this morning but the urine was definitely bloody; red and white blood cells when they tested it. Her temp was normal and she's still playing and running around. After the vet she gobbled up her breakfast and her antibiotics, so that's a good sign.

    She's only 4 months old and this is the 2nd bout with a UTI, although it may be that it simply wasn't resolved the first time. If she's going to be prone to them, does anyone have any clues for us? Cheers!

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    Oh the poor thing Urinary Infections are no fun at all, been through that once myself, hope i never have to again. At least the vet knows what is going on now though, hopefully she'll have a fast recovery and it won't come back again

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    She's not desexed yet, although the vet said that she's large enough to do if they needed to operate for the dew claw.
    If it were me, I wouldn't get her desexed until a minimum of 6 months old, but I'd be tempted to wait until 12 months old. I think its good to let the pup mature before it is done. Its not as much of an issue in smaller breeds but the larger breeds early desexing can effect their bone growth in a negative way.

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    Yes I would agree, if you can wait till 9-12 months to sterilise her if she is getting these bladder infections. My pup was also having urinary tract problems when she was around 12 weeks old.

    With her we discovered that she had a congenital incompetent urinary sphincter, which was allowing urine to seep out and causing problems. I had to put her on propalin and she has been on this for 6 years now with no issues. I also waited till she had her first heat because the sex hormones play a role in the urinary sphincter and they found that if a bitch was allowed her first heat this would in 50% of cases resolve the problem. I found during the heat she was totally continent but sadly she got pyometra half way through and needed an emergency spay so never got the full effect of the hormones.

    If these UTIS continue it may be worth a specialist appointment. Good luck as it is not a good situation for you or the dog. Hopefully a good dose of antibiotics will fix the problem.

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    Purina and supercoat are made by the same company (same one that makes milo).

    So you could probably swap completely over to one or the other instead of a blend. The Purina is supposed to be (slightly) better quality, and supercoat is more like floor scrapings, sawdust with taste good (fat and salt) added.

    There might be something much better that would help - but I'm not sure how much diet is a factor - I'd just want to be avoiding high salt food. It is a little bit tricky with puppys because it's important they eat a balanced diet.

    But I'd be really tempted to try a meat eg buy something from the butcher for people grade - don't say it's for the puppy. And mix it with some vegie based supplement - eg chopped carrot, pumpkin, potato, peas mix. You can get variations on the theme premixed in the freezer section - that's pretty close to fresh as far as quality goes.

    A few people here supplement (raw) meat with something called Vets All Natural or VAN which I don't know much about.

    But the closer you can get to relatively unprocessed food, the better it's got to be for her system - especially as far as reducing salts and salt crystals and the chance of infections because of that.

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    My vet who was also into complementry medicine and accupuncture actually gave me a chinese herbal medicine for a dog that had several bladder infections, something along the lines of I guess cranberry supplements used by humans for bladder health, to be used alonside traditional medicine. Long time ago so cant remember what it was.

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    Good to see you back – 'Persephone' !

    Loved the photos of your new pup – very cute !

    Just so you are aware - it is not uncommon to find UTIs in young female pups. My 2 previous girls had a couple of bouts of it before their first heats. The good news is that once they have their first heat – this is generally sorted out.

    So I would be timing the de-sexing for after this time.

    Like us with cystitis – the diet of the pup does play a big part in whether she will get UTIs and the severity. Sugar is a big no-no. So keep an eye on snacks and also the dry food you are feeding her.

    A couple of links for you:

    Struvite Crystals

    Natural Relief for Your Dog's Urinary Tract Infections | Modern Dog magazine

    I would say that the first lot of antibiotics did not knock the UTI on its head - so hopefully this lot will do the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Persephone View Post

    She's only 4 months old and this is the 2nd bout with a UTI, although it may be that it simply wasn't resolved the first time. If she's going to be prone to them, does anyone have any clues for us? Cheers!
    Yes.
    When she is desexed, they can examine the lay of the bladder. Generally, when repeated infections, the bladder is 'sagging' and a small amount of urine remains in the bladder, instead of it emptying completely. Microbes move in fast, hence UTI repeatedly.
    they can stitch bladder into place. Many urologist surgeons make a fine living off menopausal women with this issue.
    ITs fixable with surgery.

    meanwhile, manage it with a double course of anti biotics, usually 1 course, complete, then straight into the next course. This now needs doing, as your vet underestimated the dose last time, ie. he made a mistake. Did not prescribe the right dose for the right duration. Now he's fixing his mistake, and you will have to pay for it financially of course!

    Please consider Apple Cider Vinegar added to the drinking water. This will act the same as us humans drinking Ural satchets for UTI's.
    20ml of ACV into a household bucket full of fresh water. this will also help prevent future infections.

    Avoid dry food, as tends to have high salt content, and be dehydrating. Something you might want to avoid, if AB's are also upsetting dogs stomach, further dehydrating her. The more dehydrated, the more concentrate and painful to pass is the urine. UTI's will actually make the dog feel pretty sick.

    Hope she's feeling better soon. Give her ear a scratch from me, poor thing.

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