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    There are often Parvo outbreaks in the feral ends of town - you know the area where most of the dogs were bred in someone's back yard, most dogs are not desexed, nobody gets them vaccinated and they're not real big on taking the dog to the vet when it needs.

    And then it's traumatic for those whose dogs are there. We have a few dog clubs in those areas and I would not want to take puppies there and would probably want to wash shoes in disinfectant on return.

    Vets often have an idea of where the outbreaks are too. Not that you can't get a new one - but you'd have an idea of where to avoid if you ask the vet.

    Play dates in the yards of vaccinated dogs - are probably less risky. But it can be tracked in from outside on people's feet and dogs paws.

    So really tricky choice = a dog that doesn't play nice with other dogs or risk a puppy that gets sick and dies. I guess I see a lot more dogs that don't get along with other dogs than I hear or read stories about puppies that get sick and die and most of those - the problem was traced back to the breeders ie the puppies were sick before they got taken home.

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    There's actually a website that tracks cases of parvo/distemper and I'm pretty sure a few other major ones. I had a look at it when Brock was still not covered by his 16 week vaccination, but even still decided not to risk it, although like kalacreek, I took Brock down to the beach at low tide a few times for a run around on the recently "washed" sand. I've heard that parvo is transmitted via poo?

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    Yup Parvo is transmitted by dog poo and dog poo dust.

    And one of Frosty's favourite things is dog poo sniffing...

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    Thanks for all the input guys it really isn't an easy decision!

    I think I've ruled out the puppy class at the local dog park - which I'm pretty surprised they do given the possible risks.

    The puppy classes at the vets sounds like a good plan coupled with possibly sneaking him on the none dog beach early am and carrying him outside a few places where he'll meet people.

    Any other suggestions are welcome.

    John

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    The puppy classes that our dog club run are for after the dog's vaccinations have "taken" ie two weeks after the last booster, and up to 6 months of age. So most of the puppies are 4 months to 6 months old.

    the vet puppy pre-school was for puppies under 4 months old - so they taught different things and were complementary ie doing both was helpful.

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    In terms of exposing puppies to other dogs, how long is "too late". Judging by the responses, 16 weeks is a bit far on. Santos is a 13 week old English Staffy, and I'm in the same boat with wanting to get him around other dogs, but worried about what's out there. From what I've seen when we're walking, another dogs bark (where the other dog is either age wise older or physically bigger than him), scares him quite a bit. These barks generally come from behind a fence and Santos either doesn't know what to do and/or gets scared. Anyway, I'm waiting for his third and final microchip vaccination, but worried that in his head, it's a bit late to learn "other dogs".

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    third and final microchip vaccination
    I don't think you need to worry about the microchip.

    What I'd recommend for your dog is finding another dog that you know is friendly, well behaved and vaccinated and organising play dates with that dog in a carefully supervised way.

    Ie you get the well behaved older dog to hold a drop while you allow your dog to approach and say hello in his own time. Allow him room to be afraid and keep his distance and wait him out. Don't allow him to charge straight up to the other dog at speed huffing and growling - that's rude. The other dog may tolerate it but eventually he will get told off (puppy licence expires).

    Ideally - do this somewhere neither dog considers belongs to them. Eg beach at low tide is good.

    Do this with as many different (vaccinated) dogs as possible.

    Try to protect your dog from bad experiences and reward him for behaviour you do want eg not being afraid. At the same time - if you can walk a different way - that's a good idea too.

    Do bear in mind that horrible diseases like Parvo - can be spread by "sniffing dirt" which can be out where you walk or you could accidentally track it back into your place on your shoes. Stay away from areas where there are known outbreaks or people just don't bother getting their dogs vaccinated eg poorer areas of town. In SA - Elizabeth and Salisbury have really high rates of parvo.

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    Thanks Hiyacinth.

    I'm in the situation where I live in Sydney and know very little people, and even less people with well-behaved vaccinated dogs. However, I'll be soon moving back to Far North Queensland where my mums dogs are there and are able to nurture the little fella in these important months. Between now and that move I am thinking to enrol Santos into daycare once he has received his third vaccination. Would this be advised?

    I am seeing a friend this weekend who has dogs and will see how it goes. I'll be going to his pave though, so the dogs there will be in "their" yard.

    I had a great Kelpie X when I was growing up (RIP Bindi), who was attacked when she was a puppy and I remember that scaring her and how she reacted around other dogs.

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    Hi Eli03

    Day care can be good and bad. But usually they will only take a dog that has been vaccinated. Ideally get one that is recommended by friends or make sure you spend some time watching how your puppy interacts when you first go there. Pay attention to how the workers interact with the dogs and make sure you're ok with that. Anything that doesn't seem right - get it explained or take your dog away.

    A puppy in another dog's yard - as long as you're supervising and the initial greeting is where you all have control - pay attention to how the dogs are "talking" to each other - if one seems really angry and upset - don't let that one say hello cos it will be nasty.

    Don't force them to say hello.

    Puppy pre-school at a vet might be an option - or you could ring the RSPCA or AWL in your area and ask them to recommend some - or same with a local dog obedience club - ring the contact person and ask if they recommend anyone for puppy pre-school.

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    Hi Hyacinth,

    Thanks for the response. I'm planning on daycare when he is 16 weeks and after his last vaccination next month. I assume it would be a pretty daunting thing for a dog to go to day care for the first time, so I would be more than responsible in making it a smooth transition. I'll have a better idea after this weekend when I go around to my friends place and he meets the other dogs there for the first time. As well, if myself, he, or the others dogs have pr see any hesitation. I'll be picking him up quick smart to avoid anything bad to happen.

    Puppy pre-school does sound good because he will be around like minded and similar aged dogs. It's something I'll have to look into.

    Thanks again.

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