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    Smile Newbie here,looking for a chat.

    Hi Everyone,This is my first post.

    I recently got a Purebred Blue Cattle dog (Rosy). Hoping to be able to ask some questions from time to time
    and discuss her growth with other like minded people.

    let me introduce you to my pup.

    Rosy is around 13 Weeks now and i have slowly been training her since i brought her home.
    She sleeps in my room at nighttime,and at this stage is toilet trained. She wakes me to be taken
    outside.
    She sits for me
    has gotten use to the lead
    When her food is put down she waits until i say "Go" and then eats.
    and like most pups loves to run a muck and play with our older dog.

    I love here to bits,but im just not sure whether im expecting to much of her. Is 13 weeks a good time to be training, such as "down" "stay, roll over and so forth.
    Online some say they dont start obedience training till 5months?
    It can be frustrating when she doesn't come to her name,but most of the time she is distracted by a leaf or something. Should i be concerned.

    Cant wait to get chatting to people.
    ~Peace ~

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    Welcome to the forum
    Rosy sounds beautiful, i'd love to see a photo of her!
    She must be very smart too! She's doing very well for 13 weeks old, I say go for it! As far as i'm aware there is no harm in teaching her more stuff at a young age, she is clearly very intellegant and if she is too young to understand the command then she just won't do it
    I'd recommend you invest in a clicker to train her with, they're really great with training, especially with bright pups like yours

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    Hello! Welcome!

    Would love a photo GREAT choice of dog!

    I wouldn't be concerned about her being distracted just yet. She's only been on the earth for just over 3 months so something as boring as a leaf is incredibly exciting and new to her!
    Wait until she's a little older and discovers the wonders of technical things... like brooms and hoses!

    If she is responding so well at 13 weeks I would definitely agree with trying clicker training
    My pup was sitting and dropping at 9/10 weeks but we didn't start using a clicker until around 6 months
    Looking back I wish we had started clicker training earlier, it wasn't difficult to get her to respond to a clicker later on but starting with it earlier could only benefit
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    Good move joining the forum - there's a wealth of knowledge to tap into here, and I'm sure you'll get some great advice.

    I personally don't think your pup is too young to start training - as long as the lessons are appropriate to her age I'll bet the smart little thing thrives on learning . I have a Mastiff cross and was training the basics at that age and if he managed (mastiffs aren't known for their intellect) I reckon your highly trainable working dog will do it standing on her ear.

    I too would love to see a photo...
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    Thanks so much everyone for the welcoming comments.

    The other day i tried teaching her down, she was interested at the start but then lost interest in the treat.
    I am using cut pieces of smackos, not sure if thats the right choice or not.

    Its funny you say that "Rubberlegs" she loves water. She grabs the running hose and trys to run away with it.
    She is not a big fan of baths yet though, strange, i think she just hates standing still. Gotta keep moving.

    You all suggested one thing "Clicker" Training. Can you elaborate on the method. Im not familiar with clicker training.
    Thanks again

    -Heres Rosy-

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    I reckon it's never too early to start training. Brock was 11 weeks when i got him and I was training from day 1

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    Rosy is adorable!

    I'm a crap trainer so I'm not going to give any advice, it would probably be all wrong, but I can tell you the principle behind it. Clicker training is when a clicker is used to 'mark' the desired behaviour so the dog figures out quickly what it is you want. You can then reward the dog without having to get the food in the mouth the second the behaviour occurs. I use a marker word instead. eg - 'sit' - dog sits, 'yes' instantly on sitting, then reward. Do a search on the forum here, there's heaps of really good info, and I daresay a trainer or two may drop by here and help you out

    Oh, and treats - use something really yummy, really smelly, and really small so pup doesn't have to spend 5 mins chewing it up. I've used tiny bits of cabanossi, but I've read heaps of other similar things used too...cheese, sausage etc etc, it's really more about what motivates your pup (what she likes most). Some dogs aren't that food motivated but will work for a toy. You will get to know your dog and what motivates her best.
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    My father in law starts his dog at 5 months with stock work. Before that they just observe but basically the other dogs train the new ones. This however is vastly different to a pet.
    They are all different too so the best would be to do as you are doing as well as looking over the posts and picking out any nuggets of information that apply to you and your dog.
    I personally would not use a clicker as I could never guarantee to have it on me 24/7 but I use voice/noise by voice with the same kind of system. It works for us, clicker works for others.
    JMO
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    Welcome!

    You can find some info on clicker training here: Karen Pryor Clicker Training | The Leader in Positive Reinforcement Training

    I used it to train my current dog and found it really helped to get my head round the basic principles of conditioning.

    With recall, go slow and set her up for success. My favourite article on recall training mentions that you should never call your dog unless you are willing to bet $100 on them coming. Eventually there will be situations when you might break that rule, but this is really important in the beginning. And if you want a really solid recall, the process will take you many months. But if you follow some basic rules, it will be easy to train and good for bonding too.

    To avoid failure, you should only call your pup when she is already heading for you for now. You see the pup looking at you and starting to walk your way, you call, give a treat. If you use a clicker you can fine tune this process by clicking when they start coming over first and eventually as they improve clicking when they reach you. Though I personally prefer to click when they start running at full speed, but I'm getting bogged down in detail now.

    So call pup when she is coming to you already. Let her go play again after you've given her a reward. Repeat this as often as you can, in as many different environments. When you notice that she gets excited when you call her and starts speeding up, you're probably ready for the next step. Call her when she is not looking at you, but not distracted by anything, even if it's just a leaf. Reward liberally. I only ever used high value treats for recall training. My favourite is little bits of cooked liver. You can also use cut-up cooked chicken, hot-dogs, cheese,... All these things are probably better to train with than smackos. You want something soft and smelly.

    Each step in the process must be repeated lots and lots of times and you want to give pup the idea that it's just easy rewards. You call her, she comes, you let her go again. Do it at home, in the yard, when visiting people, and the dog park or any other spot you can let her off leash safely. I used to call my dog every 2-5 minutes at least on walks. Just to give her a reward and send her off to explore and play again.

    Then you start calling when she is distracted. A very low distraction at first, like her sniffing around or watching a bird far in the distance. Repeat, repeat, repeat and very gradually up the ante. If you notice she won't come with a particular distraction, leave that one for a while and just practice the others.

    It sounds like a huge effort, but if you set the dog up for success, you'll both find it no effort at all really. It's how I trained my dog. It never felt like a chore and my dog's recall really is pretty rock solid.

    I'll try find an some resources on this that helped me.

    ETA: I really always liked this article: http://www.kathysdao.com/articles/Th...le_Recall.html I got a bit of an aha moment with the hamburger jackpot. And I did use that a couple of times. Not a hamburger. Just extra, extra yummy treats. Being a bit random about what the reward is going to be is going to keep your dog keen. I started recall training with my dog when I got her at 8mo. She is nearly 3yo now and I still occasionally give her a treat for an exceptionally difficult recall, e.g. calling her off chasing a kangaroo or swimming after the ducks in the pond. I don't always carry treats anymore, so it's fairly random. And for ages I still occasionally did some really easy recalls for no obvious reason and for rewards on walks. I also still don't call my dog to put her on leash. I just walk up to her and clip the lead on. So my dog still thinks being called is a good thing, not just an annoying interruption of whatever they were doing.
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    Some much knowledge thanks guys.

    I will definitely look more into clicker training,sounds like it might be the way to go. i just popped down stairs after reading this inspiring stuff
    and gave it a go on rosy. keen. I tried cooked chicken in little chunks. They seem to work alot better , she is alot more interested. Mostly called her as she was
    a distance away but slowly walkin. After about 6 treats she would half run towards me,when called. Not sure if the word "Come" was a coincidence or not,time will tell i guess. im NOT saying she has recall
    just yet but its seems the treat change has made a difference. I dont have a clicker so as she started to walk faster towards i would say "Good" and treat on arriving.

    I found it hard to get her distracted in something, she kept following me around .haha at night time when she goes in the yard for toilet . She often doesn't listen and get distracted alot,
    of coarse that is when i have the least patience. So i think tonight will be a good test,take some treats with me and try it when she is distracted.

    Im not going to heavy though we have a big play after each train.
    Hopefully im doing things right.

    LOVE THIS FORUM.
    ~Peace~

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