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    We have a definate behaviour pattern that im watching.
    He does not recognise me, or my daughter yet, if we change our hair from up to down. He barks his intruder alarm single bark. The Im here.
    Then he'll give full eye contact, and growl at me. I talk to him and he realises its me and we get silly brian again. Vision?
    The evenings this gets worse. Fading light, he's tired?
    He's stressed and not understanding what's going on so he's defaulting to bordeaux behavior. I would be keeping him more controlled, on leash with you a lot more and in a crate too so he's mechanically shown what to do. It's not uncommon in a lot of dogs that have just had a major upheaval and are not that confident but to let a dog like that free roam will get you bitten. Contain and control, he's a large guarding breed that needs firm boundaries and routine.

    Cardboard has just been applied, its late, ive just got in from work, and he's crashing around the place looking for door exits.
    Again, he should not be loose in the house to crash about, you're creating a bad habit in a very powerful animal.

    He doesnt know what a toy is and is not interested in the copious amounts of them my dogs wont play with.
    He wont play tug of war. That seems odd to me. And i hope a settling in thing.
    Many Bordeaux's will not, mine learned it over time from the Malinois. They do copy a lot so give him time, he's still trying to deal with a move.

    He's not keen really on Sherlock. Because Sherlock is a little sod, for everyone cept nan/me. Who cant put up with it.
    Sherlock can be seen, giving his greasy looks, mounting him, full on face to face in alignment, in his space, wants to play but asking really badly. But he's out of control and it could easily get Sherlock trying brian on for size.
    Well, he got punched. Brian, punches dogs? Ive never seen this before. He lifted his front leg up, and side swiped him off his feet with a punch across the chops.
    Sherlock hid under the table for 10 seconds. Then went back for more, this time, tail wagging. He got a warning snarl. And backed off then.
    But it's coming. And something i will watch for.
    Step in and control everyone. He's still fresh and a pup, n a few months a male bordeaux will not tolerate being swatted, growled at and frightened.

    He's a bit lame today after his walk. Nowt major, could of tripped in a ditch? Not painful to touch him. Has full mobility of joints. No swelling.
    Chiropractor is the best, there is Potter Chiropractic in Hoppers Crossing, he is a human one but he does dogs on weekends, lovely man helped me a lot with my boy. Same thing, lameness, no swelling turned out to be his back and throwing the weight.

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    thankyou Nekhbet.
    written communication can be confusing at times.
    Our crate is too light weight for Brian, he just drags it with him. And i wont be buying another, as the one i have suffices for what i use a crate for. I have cage trailer for brutes who can move my portable crate for when we are away camping.

    When i say crashing around the house, i mean, he is walking/trot gait, and just bumps into the door. Making a huge crashing sound. The cardboard is working brilliantly though. And he's responsive to 'settle down'. and coz im busy woman, if he's not, he gets put outisde. Kinda you decide approach, calm green zone dogs are allowed in, amber dogs get a warning x 1, red zone zoomies = immediate eviction to garden.

    Brian is not loose in house, he's not house trained yet. He does have access to 1 room that is inside the house. The dog room. It has entry/exit via dog door to outside. He doesnt have access to the house, from the dog room. His 2 accidents, have been in the dog room. Easy clean floor for this reason.

    Control everyone. Yep. Im trying. From Sherlocks behaviour yesterday, he got a time out. In future, he will have to earn a time in, on leash.

    Chiropractor. Perhaps....
    No lameness today. Been on his first brief walk. Ran a bit, not limping today. I think he must of gone a bit hard with the pack.

    But clearly this dog has been chained, not exercised, fed crap with little muscle mass for a 1yr old. Pohm is so 'solid' in comparison to his puny muscles. Im thinking slow increase of exercise to build strength, better diet for bone and muscle growth. Slow steady weight gain from pup to adult. With matching muscle mass to carry it. And he's learning to swim, which will help enormously with all this. But thankyou for the resource, ive saved it, just in case this does turn out to be a repeated injury.
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    No probs, the chiro is not expensive, cheaper then a basic vet consult. If you go see Neil Maurer in Lal Lal he's $12.50, in the phone book

    Lamb necks and flaps can be brilliant for packing on the muscle and keeping bordeaux's teeth clean, mine got cheap boiler chickens whole as well. They can be notorious for trying to swallow whole chooks lol dont worry it comes back up.

    Yes written communication can get a bit wires crossed, sounds like your on the right track

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    OMG, ive cried a river tonight for Brian. Menopause n all that jazz
    Brian, was given a a lambs neck. He had no idea what to do with it. No worries, Pohm to the rescue. Night 2, he's still not sure what it is, but it appears to be highly prized by others, so he'll keep it, and nibbles it a bit, keeps it under his blankey.
    tonight, he wolfed the thing, in a minute.

    Also tonight, he for the first time, took the end of the tug toy from Pohm, and she just pulled him oh so gently. and he stood still. So she again, pulled really gently. Pohm seems to get this is a youngster. And guided him, in front of me, into a full on mastiff opposite brute force tug of war, with tails wagging, being dragged alternatively in both directions.
    Brian, is learning what toys are for.

    What a wonderful welcome home from work.

    then sherlock pup arrived. Its late, ive done a 8hr shift. so told my son, i cant take that mutt's behaviour tonight, so if he starts, he's going straight into the naughty room for 5 mins. Then gets to come back n join us.
    It took one time out, to have him get "no" means, "no". Smart lad.

    Tonight, Sherlock and Brian are more friendly toward each other. They are avoidant of eye contact. They sniff each other nose to butt. And neither of them struttin like a peacock. Just loose dog bodies. It was nice. and they got lots of rubs for this. There were several sessions in garden, where i get on the floor, mine dive down with me, as it means free belly rubs usually. Which i only ever give in this situation. Cats taught me that trick.
    So Sherlock and Brian, on their backs getting belly rubs, are kissing each other. and Brian fell asleep, farting, happy. Sherlock got up and ran off once his prey had stopped moving. But i was done.


    Im a bit stuck with a reinforcer right now. I er feel shamed to admit this, but i er, cant find his mouth. to get food into it fast enough.
    so, im considering a marker, to give me time to find where it opens. He's so slow too lol
    He's a different shape to handle, and its like i dont have a bordeaux's length sorted in my head yet. Much like when you get a different car, and your not quite so confident you know the 'exact' width/length of it for parking.

    so, im like a kid with a new bike, i dont quite know how to ride yet.

    On a side note. This is a awful story of a dog fight and attack on my son.
    My son, the light of my heart. Is a tad special. And he's always had a way with dogs, that is remarkable as some people are naturals. Great timing? who knows.
    He's working in a back garden. Digging fence posts in for a couple that just want the fence posts digging. they'll do the rest.
    There are 2 staffies. 1 young, 1 old gal. grey muzzle, slow mover, adorable. the young one, my son notes is a little 'in your face' to all the family.
    At 9.30, in front of him, and the 2 inquisitive girls who are watching my son work and talking away, the young dog runs at the old girl who is led down, and bites and tears till it locks onto her. The old gal is bleeding, in shock, pupils like saucers, and my son could not get the young dog off. He used a lead to wrap it around the dogs loins, and drag it away, it still locked on. He hit the dog on the head, it still locked on, the old gal was screaming, and he dunked the aggressive young dog under water. The dog let go, and turned a bit my son, severing his finger and tearing the rest and his face, then back onto the old gal who was wet, with her neck at a odd angle. Are you thinking this sounds like some bloody monte python story yet, coz i was hearing this.
    Both dogs have had to be PTS. And my son is seriously injured and traumatised. The owners are besides themselves with remorse and sadness. Two little girls have lost their furry friends. its just awful.
    My son has had plastics stitch him together in surgery. He has to go back in 7 days, where it will either of 'taken' and be healing, or it will be dead, and they have to amputate his fingers x 3 on the right hand.
    He cant start work, and his licence to do so arrived finally today.
    Sometimes, life really bloody sucks.

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    And another thing.
    His urine seriously is mingin!
    The stench is unbearable. Its so strong. Boy smell. Id forgotten
    my dog toilet area stinks. What do australians use for this?
    Im thinking desexing will take a lot of aroma from that urine im smelling and dont like.
    He was last bathed/soaked for 1o mins, then rinsed in malaseb on Sunday, and that yeasty smell is returning. Tomorrow, i'll do him tomorrow. That'll be bath 3.
    How much charcoal do you give a 44kg dog for farts? Bones dont ya know.
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    Wow...talk about one extreme to the other. I was happy to hear about your slobber guts doing so well but then ..., well your poor son.

    He did the right thing but i guess that means nothing at the moment. I really hope his finger heals...and the rest of the injuries too. What a sad thing for everyone involved.

    I hope he dosnt loose his 'mojo' with dogs after this. Good luck with it all mate.


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    I was loving reading your post Bernie about how Brian's doing and it was making me smile and thinking how lucky he is to have found someone like you to love and care for him.

    It really has shocked me to hear about your son and the two Staffies. What a horrible experience for anyone to go through. Sometimes life just seems like it's playing a cruel joke on you.
    I hope your sons injuries heal ok and his fingers can be saved and it hasn't traumatised him too much.
    Sending you and your son all the good luck and best wishes in the world right now
    If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your pocket and then giving Fido only two of them. ~Phil Pastoret

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    Thankyou guys. Re losing the mojo. He had a distinct lack of confidence around Bernie oddly. Bernie is being weird with Ben in return. And the other dogs are catching somethings adrift, and we had a skittesh moment, where daughter in law, screams when her own dog jumps up and licks her face. But the brit in me took over, made everyone sit! and drink tea. In silence!

    Everyone chilled. Cept bernie. He's crying at my son's injured hand. He gave it 'eye' all night long, and whined in that GSD talking way they do for under his breath. And then wanted to go with him home. He's never wanted to escort him home, in 5yrs! yet tonight he does. So i let him take him home (2 mile walk across fields), then we walked back to mine. I took all 3. And gave Brian his first walk nicely and dont yank my arm out its socket with lunging training.
    We did you chose? if you pull, i stop moving. To keep going forward, you must walk slowly at my side. I couldnt stop. He's too strong. so i needed the momentum of turning in opposite direction of his pulll, and getting him to keep up, faster paced, more fun, and more like a game to Brian, so wanted to play that game. and i kept feeding him chicken too. Cool! Only not cool, not cool at all.
    When you train a bordeaux, with food, it slobbers. and when you add fast about turns into that mix of slobbery wet grass, i ended up on my arse, with all that slobber in my face licking me. Gross. Im thinking botox? surely that'd work? If you can stop sweaty folks perspiring, why not a bordeaux drooling? I am joking, i wouldnt, but id research it. Coz i reckon that would actually work.

    Slowly does it.

    Brian had no accidents indoors for 24hrs now. And he's got his spot sorted outside. Poos in same place, pee's in same spots. Every single corner surface outside.
    He particularly liked my herb garden - Its gone now.
    A whole bush of chilli the extra hot ones.
    Oops, my bad. I forgot to remove the toxic plants for puppies, doh!
    He's got the shits of course.
    He looks kinda sorry for himself.
    Lessons, best served HOT

    Walking silky leash. What a laugh.
    We are still at the stage, of working out his reward hierarchy. But i think its high value food, not rubbish. Chicken works nicely. I still cant find his mouth.
    He likes pats a LOT, that could be a close 2nd. And if i use my goofy voice, he turns to jelly in front of me. cute as.
    He again has played tug of war with a rope toy, that is 5 yrs old and dead. He's dug it up from somewhere. Ive not seen it for a year at least.
    All those hidden treasures of the other 2, are being devoured in a hurry. lol

    Ive had to make a change, to when i leave them unattended. Brian is a fence barker, and Bernie's delighted to play that game! So no more access to sight of fence when im out. Till i can nip this in the bud hopefully.
    I'll do some training w bernie and brian (separately, then together if i get that far) at w/e, when all the walkers will be coming past. 11am and about 4pm.

    A day in the garden is planned. I have no idea why, but both my dogs find me gardening, fascinating. So some weeding is in order. as we've got back from uk and have a month of the buggers waiting for me.

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    So very sorry to read about your son, I do hope he will be okay. What an awful situation, so sad for the little girls and Staffies . On the other hand I am enjoying reading all the updates on your big boy, so glad he found you.


    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    And another thing.
    His urine seriously is mingin!
    The stench is unbearable. Its so strong. Boy smell. Id forgotten
    my dog toilet area stinks. What do australians use for this?
    Im thinking desexing will take a lot of aroma from that urine im smelling and dont like.
    He was last bathed/soaked for 1o mins, then rinsed in malaseb on Sunday, and that yeasty smell is returning. Tomorrow, i'll do him tomorrow. That'll be bath 3.
    How much charcoal do you give a 44kg dog for farts? Bones dont ya know.
    My Baby Brian (rottweiller)weighs 42 k at a year, I give him a big spoonful of natural yoghurt each morning with his breakfast. Voila! No more stinky farts or piddle. Mind you he was neutered at 6 months being a rescue.

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    I read somewhere that dill (the herb) is supposed to be good for reducing farts. But never tried it.

    stinky urine? I don't know. But for clean up I use bicarb soda, vinegar and a squirt from a bottle with 1/4 teaspoon lavender oil and then filled to 500ml with water. To neutralise acid - you need an alkaline substance - soapy water often does it. Or lime - but you need to be careful to dilute lime a lot. The enzyme based washing powder might also help. Again you'd have to dilute it or shake it up with water first and spray over.

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