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    I am not convinced that pet shops are bad seeing the two that operate in my local area. Almost all the dogs that we meet when we go to the dog park came from either of these two shops and it seems most owners are happy and the local vet is too. I think it is because of the integrity and breeder rerlationsships built up over the years. It is probably quite a high cost business model to have proper professional breeder suppliers for each puppy including genetic certificates and the normal vaccinations, mainly spoodles and moodles sell for $1300 each. I got mine cheap at only $1050. I think the comments on this forum may apply more generally to the undoubted majority of dodgy pet shops out there, and it is these that are the justifiable target of your criticism.

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    I have just realised that I have never paid a cent for any dog I have ever owned! I don't think my parents did either. (I am in my late 50s, gawd that sounds old.)

    Totally random post I know but I just went whoa at the cost of rogert's dog as I obviously do not live in the real world. (Rogert..rural now, dogs way back were strays, those given that we agreed to take, puppy from FIL's farm litter, This lot, a pregnant bitch I loved so I stole her from my FIL when I saw she was heavily pregnant and the 3 other ratbags in my sig are 3 of her litter.... Just fill in info on my statement.)

    Re pet shops I think the bulk of them are horrendous for pups and other animals but there is one in a town near me I like. I got there right on closing and they were putting the few pups (they only ever have a few) into a crate in their car to take home for the night, kittens (again only a few) as well. They told me none are ever left in there at night or weekends. It doesn't address the problem of possible genetic problems but I do like the care they show. Crates were clean, good food, water, toys for pups and kittens, somewhere in it a bit secluded so they could go there if they wished. Better than nothing, I recon.

    Saw a bully pup in there once, a bit older than the usual young pups you see, had his leg bandaged. His large crate had lovely soft bedding, food, water and toys and as it was near their desk he had lots of supervised interaction with humans that he loved. His demenour was happy when I was there. I took my time getting the products I needed so I could watch him. They only run a small business.
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    My favourite local pet shop always has a foster dog and a few foster kittens roaming around. I'll pay extra for my pet supplies because of that...

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    I get all that, my problem with it is they can't by law refuse to sell the animal to anyone who offers the money or am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogert View Post
    I am not convinced that pet shops are bad seeing the two that operate in my local area. Almost all the dogs that we meet when we go to the dog park came from either of these two shops and it seems most owners are happy and the local vet is too. I think it is because of the integrity and breeder rerlationsships built up over the years. It is probably quite a high cost business model to have proper professional breeder suppliers for each puppy including genetic certificates and the normal vaccinations, mainly spoodles and moodles sell for $1300 each. I got mine cheap at only $1050. I think the comments on this forum may apply more generally to the undoubted majority of dodgy pet shops out there, and it is these that are the justifiable target of your criticism.
    I dont understand what you mean by a high cost business model to have gentic testing. Blimey, I paid between $400 and $700 for my purebred registered dogs and they came complete with all the eye tests and generations of hip and elbow scoring. $1050 without any genetic testing is a complete rip off in my opinion.

    Most of my dogs now come from working breeders and working dog rescue and you would want a quality dog for $1300 with good proven working genetics behind it.

    Someone is making a stack of money at those prices in the oodle market. No wonder they pump em out. A good friend is a specialist surgical vet and he told me that lack of screening from breeders keeps his business booming, trying to surgically right the wrongs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogert View Post
    ... spoodles and moodles sell for $1300 each. I got mine cheap at only $1050.


    Cheap?

    With no health testing, no background and only basic vet work??

    I feel like registered breeders are treated like the scum of the earth for charging less than that for their pups that encompass years of planning, expense and hard work.

    Why would you not get a rescue dog, all desexed, known temp (if it has been properly fostered) etc etc for less than half that?

    People must be out of their gourds paying such prices - if they were buying cars like that people would think they were mad.

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    And the thing is that you are now starting to see more and more oodles in rescue.

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    Yep. And how many wire-coated poodle crosses (which is a pretty common coat type when poodle goes over a short flat coat like lab or pug...) get misidentified as "terrier crosses" when small, and "wolfhound crosses" when large? Grrr.

    Lots. Commercial crossbreeders have a whole lot to answer for in terms of providing what people expect and think they are paying for, and what they actually sell.

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    Fairview...

    I think a shop can refuse to sell to anyone they want - they're a private business. The RSPCA and AWL do it all the time. Alcohol business are not allowed to sell to underage or drunk people, pharmacists can refuse to sell also. I don't think a shop can discriminate - ie refuse to sell based on someone's race or religion or sex, but they can set other criteria - like the best interests of their product.

    rogert
    Glad you're still having good experiences.
    cheap at only $1050
    Seems like a rip off for an undesexed untrained puppy to me.

    Rescue (AWL, RSPCA, Lost Dogs, Petrescue.com.au) might charge somewhere around say $500 for a puppy and it will be desexed, vaccinated, wormed, socialised (as best they can depending where it came from and what age) and it will be probably be a mutt with random genetics (good and bad) just like yours.

    So add to that $300 for desex and $400 for a behaviourist to fix dog socialisation problems and your puppy is up to $1750 and then there are the costs of managing the avoidable genetic problems - most frequently bad teeth, spinal problems and joint problems. A friend recently spent several thousand getting the ACL joint reconstructed on her oodle and then it promptly busted the other one.

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    I should add that we have our annual fete next Sunday and there are usually stands for dog breeders and the local shop as well. It will be interesting to go to each stand and compare but I think I know what I will find. Our puppy is thriving but the biting continues. Training for that is proving more difficult than anticipated. And the barking is starting to become a problem which is a little ironic since I wrote the policy of my State on legal controls and management of excessive barking and that was at a time when I didn't have a dog.

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