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    Hmm I reread the post and I just see someone who has been a consumer all his life like most of us. He decided he wanted a dog and found it wasn't necessarily as simple as buying other things he wants every day.He felt mis led and misdirected and that would have been more difficult with an enthusiastic 12 year old involved.He went for what seemed the obvious solution and seems to be to be just sharing his journey without guile. He thought enough to consider what sort of breed would make for a good family pet. He is a product of the "I want it and I will pay for it" thinking that most people buy into these days. It is one of the reasons people don't think it through and things so horribly wrong and young dogs end up in shelters.
    I just think we should support people who come onto the forum with young dogs and do some early intervention and support, it is too unproductive to take the high ground and alienate them.
    I too hope someone else is absorbing the knowledge as I can't see what else we achieved in this thread.

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    He told us a bitchy story about breeders - I could tell you similar bitchy stories about house hunting. And then he went and did something he'd been told not to, by people he claims know what they're talking about, says it all went well, here's hoping. And then said he didn't know why people were precious about it.

    So I don't know why people are so precious about breeders not to mention designer dogs.
    So we've been telling him why.

    Some puppy sellers are scammers, and it's way more likely with over priced "designer breeds" but also happens with any expensive exotic breed like newfoundlands. He got scammed. If he'd asked here, or listened to the people he talked to the first time around (and asked them for recommendations), maybe that would not have happened.

    And now he's calling us vitriolic and nasty - but he hasn't seen the conditions those puppies were born into and he thinks a pet shop is an ok place for a puppy. A pet shop is an ok place for a bag of dog food but not the dog.

    I think it's really important that the average consumer gets a bit better educated about how to get a puppy from a quality home for a quality home. It's also important that a 12 yo learns some impulse control, patience and the concept of delayed satisfaction - or the value of waiting for the good stuff. The puppy needs to learn all that too. What hope have they got when Dad is struggling with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by farrview View Post
    Hmm I reread the post and I just see someone who has been a consumer all his life like most of us. He decided he wanted a dog and found it wasn't necessarily as simple as buying other things he wants every day.He felt mis led and misdirected and that would have been more difficult with an enthusiastic 12 year old involved.He went for what seemed the obvious solution and seems to be to be just sharing his journey without guile. He thought enough to consider what sort of breed would make for a good family pet. He is a product of the "I want it and I will pay for it" thinking that most people buy into these days. It is one of the reasons people don't think it through and things so horribly wrong and young dogs end up in shelters.
    I just think we should support people who come onto the forum with young dogs and do some early intervention and support, it is too unproductive to take the high ground and alienate them.
    I too hope someone else is absorbing the knowledge as I can't see what else we achieved in this thread.
    I think the problem here is that he took the high ground first up and then never asked any questions despite the information people were giving him. He had clearly decided that he was right. He didnt ask a question, he made a statement.

    I would have wanted to know about what health testing actually was, but he made the stand his pet shop was great with all the health checks and vet support. I doubt the health checks were anything to do with genetic screening, but he wasnt interested in pursuing this any further with us.

    This makes it hard for people like myself and others who have experienced and seen first hand the tragic fall out not to comment. Some people are more tactful than others sure, life is like that. Roger is a grown man and really there were a lot of people that said they were happy to offer advice and information.

    Nobody minds if people ask questions, no question is a dumb one as long as you are prepared to consider the answers and challenge and discuss to find out more. Sometimes this will be heated, part of life really.

    The thread will have achieved something if other people read this and consider what has been said. There is a lot of information in there.

    As to Roger, he should know by now that there are people on here that have stated that they are more than happy to answer questions he has about his growing puppy.

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    Why are we assuming that two breeders didnt deem him suitable?

    He clearly stated that he was told the pups would be his, and then told they wouldnt.

    This doesnt indicate a rejection to me at all....

    Tbh, I would have been annoyed too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    Why are we assuming that two breeders didnt deem him suitable?

    He clearly stated that he was told the pups would be his, and then told they wouldnt.

    This doesnt indicate a rejection to me at all....

    Tbh, I would have been annoyed too.
    That is not an assumption I am making as we dont know the full story. Breeders can be a mixed bag in my experience, good and bad. However there are some really good ones out there, you just have to take the time to find them.

    I guess the point is for me that if you are not going to get a pup from rescue where tracing the pups origins are almost impossible in most situations then knowing more about the pups origins, beyond where you purchase it from is almost a consumer responsibility to dogs.

    Meeting the parents if possible, finding the parents have at least been tested for the main genetic conditions for the breed or breed mix will go a long way to reducing the chance of temperament and health issues down the track. It will also reveal if the pup is coming from a puppy farm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    That is not an assumption I am making as we dont know the full story. Breeders can be a mixed bag in my experience, good and bad. However there are some really good ones out there, you just have to take the time to find them.

    I guess the point is for me that if you are not going to get a pup from rescue where tracing the pups origins are almost impossible in most situations then knowing more about the pups origins, beyond where you purchase it from is almost a consumer responsibility to dogs.

    Meeting the parents if possible, finding the parents have at least been tested for the main genetic conditions for the breed or breed mix will go a long way to reducing the chance of temperament and health issues down the track. It will also reveal if the pup is coming from a puppy farm.
    For those who've been lucky enough to be educated, either via reading threads like this or knowing people who have learnt the possible pitfalls, this is bang on. For those unlucky people who go and buy and a dog without such knowledge then I dont' think you can really blame them. Unfortunately in this case, the person had been given great advice on what they shouldn't do, then went and did it anyway and then came on here talking up their decision and IMO it's our responsibility to make sure anyone else reading this thread doesn't see that "advice" that petshops are a great place to buy pups as good "advice". I honestly couldn't care less whether this person comes back or not, the potential for 100's of people to read his initial post and think ok that's the way to do it, makes it worth alienating one troll for the overall good IMO.

    Having said all that, if rogert does come back asking questions about his pup then i'll happily give him whatever good advice I can, but I won't sit by and let the 100's of people who read this forum but don't join/post think that his initial post is how it should be. It was a stupid post, and no one reading should think otherwise. It's threads like this that educated me and meant I spent time researching breeders and bought a pedigree dog from a responsible ethical breeder.

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    I agree the first post did seem a bit "stirry".

    I also agree that it is now done and this thread now only has value for new members who still have to make up their mind about where to get a pup. But there are better threads on here to help them with that decision.

    I would suggest Rogert, that you start a new thread to introduce your pup and report on the early training and ask specific questions if you have any. Then we can move on from this pet shop/breeder discussion which always evokes pretty emotive responses in some.

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    Thanks to those understanding people about my situation. I was well aware of the need for all the requisite health checks. We are following the program prescribed by the pet shop regarding worming, flee control, vaccinations etc and we are enrolled in puppy school. We have met the breeder, seen pictures of the parents, read books, watched videos regarding training and coaching our 12 year old to take responsibility. I am not a geneticist so need to take the advice of others regarding hereditary issues but as a normal consumer knowing the extra issues with buying a live animal I think I have done what most people would do. I am greateful for advice regarding health and training but my forst post was not to stir but to simply tell my story and the difficulties I faced which is a message to some breeders about how they might improve their interface with consumers. I dont want to paint them as bad, simply with an issue to address. That's all. I would say finally that for all those people who have strong views about this tops it would serve you well not to go over the top with your reaction and dispense blame.

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    One more thing to say after reading a recent reply. Our decision took many years, certainly not on impulse. We wanted a dog for our boy in 2007. It was then he really wanted a husky as we lived in the north of Canada and were involved in sled dogs. Our son was even sledded to school one day in the snow by a husky team. We got to know them well as it was an important means of transportation . But now living on Sydney's Northern beaches a siberian husky was just not the right dog for these parts as its personality was too difficult for us to handle in a surburban setting. Our son was very sad but could see the problem so we went down the road of looking at other breeds carefully, first a golden retriever and then a spoodle which in the end was the right breed (crossbreed) for us. It took 5 years from the time we arrived in Australia to now for our son to be happy with getting the right dog. Then followed a 4 month contact with breeders, the story of that I have already described, which brings us to now. So the road has been long and the impulse buying from a pet shop syndrome that has been mentioned in responses was very far from the truth

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    Hyacinth Please lay off personal attacks. They are not constructive. Pets shops are not necessarily all bad and you are making me feel bad just by being on this site sharing my experiences

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