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    I am looking forward to some discussion and help if I get it wrong with the puppy but I must say I don't recall the last time I joined a forum as a new member and got such vitriol.

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    I think it was some of what you said in your first post that got people going.

    I personally have yet to find a puppy from a pet shop that comes with documentation that shows the puppies parents are free of genetic conditions like PRA, CEA, genetic heart condtions etc (depending on the breed) and have good hip and elbow scores. If yours has come with that then it will be a first for me.

    Mind you I dont touch breeders that dont have the appropriate genetic testing and backup services either. When genetic conditions surface down the track it always ends in expense and tears. Been there.

    I have several rescue dogs that I have got as pups and I always insure them for the first 18 months till I can assess their status with regards to genetic conditions and dysplasias.

    Anyway I am sure you will get any information you ask for as the pup grows and welcome to the site. Hopefully your pup will be healthy, happy and loved.

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    all the right checks and documentation.
    all well accredited
    what does this mean? how did you check this?

    The plain fact is that breeders are geographically remote
    This is not true. There are actually a lot of GR breeders in the capital cities and nearby.
    And the best breeders come together for breed club social meets and shows. So that's one way to see lots of breeders and their dogs in one place.

    suspect breeders with possibly worse outcomes than a shop.
    Puppies come from breeders. They don't magically appear in the shop.
    words like "operation" and "remote" - when applied to dog breeders are words I strongly associate with big puppy farms - the only places that have instant puppies all year round. It is not healthy for a puppy to be left without human interaction in a perspex box. This is what most pet shops do. If they played with and trained the puppies during the day, and took all the puppies home with them at night, then I'd consider them good places for puppies.

    Dog rescue was not an option we were focusing on particular breeds and age profiles
    You got a mutt. There are plenty of cross breed and a few purebreed puppies listed with petrescue.com.au Some are just 6 weeks old, ready to be rehomed at 8 weeks or so. The best rescue organisations are just as picky about where their puppies go as the best breeders tho - they want their puppies to have the best forever homes.

    Your clear lack of patience would be a major red flag for most of them. Puppies need a lot of patience. They do not toilet train in 10 minutes. They do not learn what is and isn't ok to chew in 10 minutes either.

    I think I'm with MMJ on this one.
    Biggles - Medium Male Australian Cattle Dog Mix in NSW - PetRescue

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    Good luck with your new puppy. I hope that the Cocker Spaniel parent of your puppy was DNA tested for Progressive Retinal Atrophy (PRA) and Familial Nephropathy (FN). Any ethical Cocker breeder will test for both these diseases to ensure that they are not passed on to offspring. I believe that Poodles should also be tested for PRA before being bred, however, I'm not a Poodle expert but there may be a Poodle person on the forum who can confirm this.

    I hope your new puppy brings you a lot of fun and enjoyment
    Last edited by Ellie; 03-31-2013 at 04:03 PM. Reason: Edited to add

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellie View Post
    Good luck with your new puppy. I hope that the Cocker Spaniel parent of your puppy was DNA tested for Progressive Retinal Atrophy (PRA) and Familial Nephropathy (FN). Any ethical Cocker breeder will test for both these diseases to ensure that they are not passed on to offspring. I believe that Poodles should also be tested for PRA before being bred, however, I'm not a Poodle expert but there may be a Poodle person on the forum who can confirm this.

    I hope your new puppy brings you a lot of fun and enjoyment
    Yes poodles should be tested for PRA as far as I know and HD. I also remember sitting in the park with a friend who is a retired orthovet. We were watching an energetic young poodle X playing with her owner. My friend suddenly said to me "that dogs owner doesnt know it yet but her dog has HD". Dysplasias are certainly something I hope that breeders scan for in their breeding dogs, particularly in some breeds.
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    Arghhhhhh, he has the dog and should not be the continued target of forum members dog views. It is not fair it is done. If the dog wasn't tested it wasn't.Is every rescue tested? It is scaremongering at a time this person should be enjoying his dog. He likes dogs, he is not the enemy.
    I say again If this had been aimed at me I would have never returned and in the process missed out on a great deal of useful advice and pleasant interactions.
    Have done and treat him like any of the other dog people who come on board. He was honest because he didn't know any better. Others have just said " I have a new dog" without telling the forum where it was from and were spared. Some of them may not have come from the best place but surely we can encourage people and forgive them ignorance and educated them in a way that is less confrontational.
    It could have been me and I am sad about that but also disappointed as this level of confrontation can't be productive.
    If he doesn't know a heap about puppies he came here for advice and we have blown an opportunity to educate. I picked up the knowledge you have blasted at him without feeling attacked and because of that was willing to reflect and take on new knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogert View Post
    I am looking forward to some discussion and help if I get it wrong with the puppy but I must say I don't recall the last time I joined a forum as a new member and got such vitriol.
    Not from me. I hope you have great time with your new dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farrview View Post
    He was honest because he didn't know any better. Others have just said " I have a new dog" without telling the forum where it was from and were spared. Some of them may not have come from the best place but surely we can encourage people and forgive them ignorance and educated them in a way that is less confrontational.
    It could have been me and I am sad about that but also disappointed as this level of confrontation can't be productive.
    If he doesn't know a heap about puppies he came here for advice and we have blown an opportunity to educate. I picked up the knowledge you have blasted at him without feeling attacked and because of that was willing to reflect and take on new knowledge.
    Well he was a little confrontational in his first post to be honest and he still believes that he has all the correct paperwork, maybe he has.

    To be honest I wish someone had really explained to me about all this I learnt the hard way and many of thousands of dollars later and a dog that really suffered and have seen a number of people and their dogs suffer the same way, through ignorance and because no one told them any better. I had never even heard of elbow dysplasia untill I was faced with it. I so wish I had known about these things, but it was before this type of forum existed.

    I nearly made another mistake but a very blunt could be called confrontational barrage of posts on another site a few years ago made me completely rethink and I thank them today for it. I just had to be a bit humble and ask them more questions which they were happy to answer once they realised I had got what they were saying. Once you have all the facts then it is easier to take your personal position.

    Chances are his dog maybe fine and I hope he does stick around and ask questions, but hopefully he also thinks about what has been said and maybe someone else will read it too and know that it isnt a personal attack but that there are certain things in life that dont need sugar coating.

    I think many of us have all been in the same situation as Roger, I know I have and there will be many more to come. I am quite sure people will welcome puppy photos and answer questions.
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    Welcome to the forum Rogert
    We are here to discuss anything you want to know from this point forward.
    And yes, puppy pics are very much enjoyed by forum members! Look forward to seeing yours

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    Good for you guys Fairview, Ven and grevillia47.

    Personally I'd be more convinced this guy would be willing to accept any advice he asks for, if he'd come here before he got his puppy. But he's ignored "many people in the dog world" too, so we won't be the first. I find the approach some people have of coming looking for approval for something I regard as ill informed at best, and an expensive mistake encouraging unethical and cruelty in puppy breeding at worst - and he can't even claim to be ignorant of the problems.

    It's really hard to be nice to people like that. And if he thinks we're nasty - I can point him at several other forums where he would have been banned for his first post. At least here, he gets his say and we get ours on this subject.

    All I can hope is that someone else is stopped from making a similar mistake. We have managed to steer some people in the right direction. I consider that worth it.

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