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    Default In need of some tips/reassurance!

    Hi everyone, I'm new here!

    I have worked with dogs for about a year, but only just got my very own little buddy a little over a week ago.

    She is an 11 week old Bull Arab/Staghound/Bullmastiff/Great Dane named Taija (pronounced tye-a). Her feet are massive and she has legs for days! I predict her reaching the 35-40kg mark.

    Once I had already paid for Ty and my partner and I had started driving half way up the country to get her, we found out our landlord and my former 'friend' had kicked us out of her house! So there went Ty's big back yard and stable living conditions.

    Luckily, my sister is a saint and has taken us all in. She has 2 adult English Staffy's of her own (one female, one male) and Ty gets along with them fairly amicably. I have a lot of experience introducing dogs having worked in doggy day care, and for the most part things are peaceful between them.

    In the short time I've had Taija she has learned so much. I keep her on the strictest schedule I can manage. She learned to sit in a matter of hours (with no food reward mind you, just praise), she now lays down, waits for her food, sits before entering/exiting the house and is more or less housebroken. Bite inhibition is getting better, ie we have no more stab wounds from those little fangs!

    I guess there are two areas where I am growing a little concerned for Ty, bearing in mind it's hard for me to train out these behaviours with so many people living in the house - and those two highly strung Staffys don't help.

    1. Taija puts herself to bed without a peep and sleeps until about 6:30-7, but there is always a pee waiting for me in the morning. This morning I set an alarm at 3am to take her out, but lo and behold there was no pee action. Until I woke up at 7am that is! Any tips on what I should do? Or should I not concern myself until I have my own place and can properly train her up?

    2. The 4 year old female staffy is full of anxiety, jumps up on everyone, scratches, barks incessantly (my sister thinks she's 'talking') and is basically in need of help. Will this rub off on Taija? She seems in a silly mood after playing with Dixie, but I don't want to keep her cooped up indoors all day either.

    3. When Ty is outside, she barks/whines/howls bloody murder but only if she can see me. Or anyone for that matter. Should I continue to ignore her?

    4. With all the hard work I'm putting in with Ty, it feels like she only responds to my commands. I try and tell my partner/sister/brother in law to 'say it like this' or 'don't let her jump up on you' but I'm sure you can all understand, everybody thinks they are the expert when it comes to training dogs and it's difficult not to hurt everyone's feelings by barking my orders at them. I want Ty to be an obedient and responsive dog, no matter who gives the order. Am I doing something wrong?

    I'm so so sorry for my word diarrhea but I'm sure you can tell - I adore my dog so much and I want her to be happy, healthy and balanced through understanding her boundaries. Especially given the size she is going to reach, I feel like this is especially important!

    Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks
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    5.45 am is pee pee time, or it is here anyway.
    You are lucky it is still summer.

    How long are you going to stay with your sister?
    Its a shame that they do not follow your lead with regard to
    dog training.
    no 3. Yes, ignore the whining and - you could walk in and out of view
    repeatedly for 2-3 hours straight (no eye contact or anything -
    total ignore) when dog is finally quiet go and praise with a soft voice and cuddle.

    You sound like you are doing all the right things with your girl.

    Read up on "Giants" or even Great Danes with regards to steps,
    jumping, joint issues.
    I would start now with supplements fish oil, glucosamine etc.

    Your Ty is beautiful, I love the Big Boofers and have one myself.
    He is a lovely boy and very gentle.

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    Maybe a crate would be a way to toilet train him......it worked for me.

    It looks like your locking your dog in a cage but it's nothing cruel at all...imnfact if you go about it right the crate becomes a dogs favourite place. Basically it works because a dog wont go to the toilet in it's sleeping area and will hold on for longer until you let him out. Theres heaps of info about crate training so a search on the forum for older threads might be worthwhile .

    Good luck.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chubbsecurity View Post
    5.45 am is pee pee time, or it is here anyway.
    You are lucky it is still summer.

    How long are you going to stay with your sister?
    Its a shame that they do not follow your lead with regard to
    dog training.
    no 3. Yes, ignore the whining and - you could walk in and out of view
    repeatedly for 2-3 hours straight (no eye contact or anything -
    total ignore) when dog is finally quiet go and praise with a soft voice and cuddle.

    You sound like you are doing all the right things with your girl.

    Read up on "Giants" or even Great Danes with regards to steps,
    jumping, joint issues.
    I would start now with supplements fish oil, glucosamine etc.

    Your Ty is beautiful, I love the Big Boofers and have one myself.
    He is a lovely boy and very gentle.
    Too right, although it's still pretty icy at 6am, even in summer!

    I'm hoping she stays mostly on the right track, then any bad behaviours can be corrected once we're living on our own. We're madly applying for properties every day, so we'll be moving ASAP..fingers crossed!

    Thanks for your advice on supplementing! The vet said she will be in the large category, though I like the idea of helping her along. I'd hate to see my big girl suffering from arthritis At the moment I never force her to exercise unless she wants to, and gently place her paws back on the ground when she jumps, then praise. Or I just plain ignore her when I enter her little bedroom in the morning. It seems to be sinking in slowly, I hope!

    Thanks for the kind words

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    Maybe a crate would be a way to toilet train him......it worked for me.

    It looks like your locking your dog in a cage but it's nothing cruel at all...imnfact if you go about it right the crate becomes a dogs favourite place. Basically it works because a dog wont go to the toilet in it's sleeping area and will hold on for longer until you let him out. Theres heaps of info about crate training so a search on the forum for older threads might be worthwhile .

    Good luck.
    Hi! I've read up on crate training and I know this sounds awful, but I just can't afford new equipment at the moment :/ I've been putting my money towards premium food, toys and vaccinations. Would it be too late to begin crate training say in a month or so? She'd be 4 months old by then.

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    Dont feel bad about the lack of coin...it happens to everyone especially if you are stocking up on necessary things like food, immunisations,toys etc

    I guess it wouldnt hurt to try later on down the track but you probably want or need a solution before then. I'd try just getting up every few hours...which is easy for me to say LOL...i hate waking up !! If she does go during the night when you take her out be sure to make a huge big fuss about it...lotsa praise and cuddles !!
    I guess it's going to be a few long restless nights but when you have a routine set you'll see it was all worth it.


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    Sorry, "jumping" meant leaping off the top of the steps and landing on pavers etc.
    I'm not sure how I survived Snoopys puppy days, as our house is on a hill and steps/hazards etc everywhere!

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    Hi renbird, that's a beautiful pup you have there.

    1. Taija puts herself to bed without a peep and sleeps until about 6:30-7, but there is always a pee waiting for me in the morning. This morning I set an alarm at 3am to take her out, but lo and behold there was no pee action. Until I woke up at 7am that is! Any tips on what I should do? Or should I not concern myself until I have my own place and can properly train her up?
    How about sleeping your dog outside? Using biological washing powder to clean up urine helps remove the scent trigger of urine left. Then feed it on that spot, off the floor, not in a bowl. Dogs often dont toilet where they sleep/eat.


    2. The 4 year old female staffy is full of anxiety, jumps up on everyone, scratches, barks incessantly (my sister thinks she's 'talking') and is basically in need of help. Will this rub off on Taija? She seems in a silly mood after playing with Dixie, but I don't want to keep her cooped up indoors all day either. I agree, does need help, but not your problem thankfully. it wont rub off if you continue training the way you do. I have a jumping pup here for day care, that my son owns, yet he never ever jumps on me now, just them. As i dont do dogs jumping on me well, and become hostile to pup when he does, and loving when all 4 paws on floor. The 6 mnth pup is smart enough to work out, what behaviour is acceptable to which human.

    3. When Ty is outside, she barks/whines/howls bloody murder but only if she can see me. Or anyone for that matter. Should I continue to ignore her? YES! never interact with a dog whining, as it reinforces the whining (driving) behaviour. Try Triangle of temptation on k9 pro section in this forum. This stops whining dogs in their tracks, fast! though is a tad 'hard' for some trainers who are purely positive reinforcement methods. My dogs are extreemly hard headed, and can take such training easily, timid dogs may not, only you know the nerve of your individual puppy and can judge

    4. With all the hard work I'm putting in with Ty, it feels like she only responds to my commands. I try and tell my partner/sister/brother in law to 'say it like this' or 'don't let her jump up on you' but I'm sure you can all understand, everybody thinks they are the expert when it comes to training dogs and it's difficult not to hurt everyone's feelings by barking my orders at them. I want Ty to be an obedient and responsive dog, no matter who gives the order. Am I doing something wrong? Yes you are. You are being right, and they are being wrong lol. I have 3 children all adultish, a partner, and every single one is a dog whisperer apparently. Only nobody told our dogs that, and the dogs ignore these folk as they lack: consistency, time training pup/dog daily, and of course, walking them. And after the honey moon phase of 'we've got a puppy', i find other interested folk give up, and leave you n your dog to train in peace. You may of already noticed a lack of human company on early morning toileting/walks etc?

    I'm so so sorry for my word diarrhea but I'm sure you can tell - I adore my dog so much and I want her to be happy, healthy and balanced through understanding her boundaries. Especially given the size she is going to reach, I feel like this is especially important!
    Im a sucker for large dog breeds. Something to do with me being 6ft i guess. And so you have to consider each behaviour like this: will it still be cute when my dogs weighs 6stone? if not, its nipped in the bud. With jumping as in down ditches, up mountain sides from rock to rock etc, which is supposed to be avoided under 18 months in large breeds. Well, none of my dogs have read that book. I think with the Dane in there, id be more vigilant on discouraging jumping than i have been with mine, as the only Dane's i know are elderly, and crippled with arthritis. A suggestion though. I meet a Dane on my walks occasionally, the owner clearly taught it to sit at curbs before they cross, a common trained behaviour. The dog is now taking 4 mins to get down due to arthritis, and the man says, at 9yrs of age, she wont be retrained into not sitting. So perhaps give that a miss.

    Fish oil, Vit D etc, is far cheaper to buy in bulk on line, than from any vet or pet store. And a tin of sardines twice a week, can turn kibble into steak!
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    Thanks for all your great advice and encouragement, Bernie!

    At the moment I have to keep Taija sleeping inside...mainly because I don't want to disturb my sister/brother-in-law/his son etc with her crying all night The staffys would stick their noses into everything anyway (she's a big sook and can't sleep without a pile of squishy blankets). I'm going to have to crack that nut when we have our own house sadly, it won't be easy though I'm sure.

    You're right; the bad behaviour hasn't been rubbing off - in fact she's much calmer around me for it. I have another couple of play dates set up for her soon so she can broaden her doggy horizons.

    I read about the triangle of temptation and I absolutely LOVE it! I'm dying to try it, I just need some peace and quiet from the other dogs in order for it to happen!

    My partner stopped being helpful the second we brought her into the house he loves her but I think he's realised he doesn't understand dogs as well as he thought he did. He'll come around and hopefully get on my side...until then it's me and only me doing all the hard work. But that's ok, at least I can take all the credit!

    Walks are something I really need to work on with Ty. She freaks out most of the way and stops dead in her tracks, staring at me, or chews the lead like it's a game.

    That's almost exactly what I say to everyone every time Taija jumps on them and they let her get away with it "Just imagine she's 40kg!". Not only that it could be an elderly person or a small child and that would be huge trouble for everyone.

    Her father is only half Dane. I met him - he looked more Mastiff to me. He was heavy but nowhere near as tall as a Dane. Do you think I should still be as careful with Ty's joints as if she were a Dane? That said I've always heard female pups take on more of the mother's genes, but Taija is definitely fixing to grow much bigger than her mum!

    Gosh, I'm not even on those supplements myself! Maybe it will make me take them if I'm giving them to my dog lol. I love the sardines idea!
    Thanks again!

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    I slept with my puppies in a cardboard box appropriate to their size next to my bed when I was toilet training them. I got up once during the night and sometimes you just have to be patient and persistent. Or maybe try and get up about 5 am and go with her outside. Hard work but worth it when they catch on and it is great have a dog that will toilet on command especially when travelling with them.

    Puppies also tend to pee shortly after they have eaten so that is a good opportunity to take them outside and ask them to go pee pee or whatever word you use. Always have a bit of a party when they anti up.

    Crate training can be done later if you cant afford a crate now. I crate trained my first dogs when they were adults. Crates are a good investment over the years.

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