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Thread: We'd like to buy a black puggle puppy - but I'm afraid of buying for a puppy farm.

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    Plenty of dogs in shelters and pounds looking for forever homes.
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    HI Shonnie Bee

    So glad you came to us before you got your puppy and not after. What the others said, we don't know any responsible breeders that breed cross breeds. Some give their dogs a not too bad life at their home, but they breed too many litters, and they don't do health checks to make sure the puppies won't be causing expensive problems at the vet. Dogs can do this anyway, but why not give them their best chance. Funny how we think this is best for dogs but outrageous an idea for humans. Unless prospective parents do it voluntarily to avoid passing on major debilitating genetic diseases. This is what we would like responsible breeders to do.

    So how do you find a dog that meets your requirements, fits with your lifestyle and has been planned for by the best of dog breeders?

    RSPCA has this list of criteria that you can use. Make sure any promises that are important to you - from the breeder - are in writing.
    What is a responsible companion animal breeder? - RSPCA Australia knowledgebase

    And the breeder - ideally will have at least 20 questions for you, about what you're looking for in a puppy, why you chose to contact them in particular, and what kind of home you can give their precious puppy. Some breeders like to make sure their puppies for pet homes are desexed before they go out, having been tricked by puppy farmers before, and some breeders like to hedge their bets about how your puppy will grow up, and only offer "co-ownership" ie the puppy dog lives with you but they can use it for breeding if they like the way it grows up. Personally - I'm not so keen on this arrangement as it can get awkward if it goes pear shaped.

    A reasonable cost for an ANKC registered breeder - depending a bit on breed is somewhere between $800 and $1500 - which barely covers costs of vet checks, feeding and all the stuff involved in raising healthy puppies. And the puppy should 8 weeks old before it leaves the litter - and a little bit older is good - ie puppies that stay with the litter that extra couple of weeks - are much better at dog manners than puppies that leave too young. And this usually means going for a walk with your puppy is much more pleasant.

    Some breeds that are highly sought after or very new to Australia may be more expensive because it costs a lot of money to import dogs to Australia. Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retrievers, Lagotto Romalo, Portugeuse water dogs - may be somewhat more expensive than an ANKC pedigree toy poodle or an Australian Terrier.

    If you don't mind taking your chances with a bitsa breed - then maybe petrescue.com.au is the right place to find your puppy. Not many puppies are listed, but if you find a rescue that's near you, and meet the people and they seem to be doing what they do for all the right reasons, then they will let you know when there are puppies available.

    And choose the friendly dog/puppy.

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    By the RSPCA standards a couple of puppy farmers are fine to buy from ... all the dogs are in clean environments, have their own lovely dirt runs and a few staff to look after 200 dogs so we're hunky dory!

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    I dunno

    I'd rate most puppy farmers a fail on 1, 2, 3, 4, 6.

    1: While there are squillions of dogs in the pounds including their kind of dogs, then they're exceeding the demand for puppies.

    2: Those dogs are not leading a normal life or anything like what they'd get in a family home. So they often don't cope well with people and other pets.

    3: They often don't ask any questions about where the puppy is going or refuse to sell a puppy on that basis. And if they're handing the dogs over to pet shops - none of those questions are going to be asked, answered or acted up on.

    4: Open and transparent about the history? I don't think so - not given the number of crosses where the owner insists the pet shop says it was a poodle cross maltese and it's clearly got a large dose of beagle genes...

    6: Ongoing support - not likely. Support is often offered - not how do we deal with the problem we have with the puppy we have, but give it back to us and we'll get you a new one. Most people don't want to give their new family member back. Not until they really can't stand it or they have to move house to a rental that won't allow pets.

    It's a starting point. I'd also be looking to meet the puppy parents too.

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    I hope that the OP has been reading the very sad thread about the poor little French Bulldog pup.
    They paid a lot of money for a "high demand" breed.
    I'm glad that they love him and want to keep him regardless of his health problems.

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