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    Default 14 week old won't pee or poop outside

    Hi guys...

    I've been a stalker of this forum for quite a while but never joined.. so this is my first post.

    I have a 14 week old pup who I've had since 9 weeks old.

    He is very well behaved, knows many commands and is 80% puppy pad trained.

    The breeder also puppy pad trained him also so he was used to them before 6 weeks old. He has also been desexed so he doesn't leg-lift.

    We live in a high-rise apartment and we permanently are using puppy pads. When we first got him he pee'd outside randomly, never pooped.

    Now he will not under any circumstance pee or poop outside. I have stayed outside for 5 hours after giving him a big drink and feed and he wouldn't go, so I brought him inside and on his pad and he went straight away.

    I take him for two walks a day, one 30-45 min walk in the morning and the same in the afternoon. I have taken a puppy pad outside with me and also in the car, but he holds it for hours and doesn't display any interest in the pad.

    I know it sounds silly i'm complaining he is holding it - i'm not complaining about that as that is a skill and a half!

    He holds it for road trips from Sydney to Newcastle and back and will not go until we get home! He's even followed other dogs at puppy school around while they pee and poop but he isn't encouraged to mark the spot himself!

    Is there anything I can do or use to encourage him to do so?

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    When I got my dog she would go in our backyard but never on walks. Now she does though I didn't do anything specific to teach her (that I can remember anyway) apart from praising her when she finally did go. So maybe just patience will do the trick. 5 weeks isn't that long in the scheme of things.

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    Hi Vaun Emma, welcome to the forum
    My girl used nothing but puppy pads until she was 6 months old and had to spend a week with a friend who has 2 house dogs and a doggy door. These 2 dogs are trained to 'go' in one spot in the yard and my girl copied them.
    I must admit that while she was using the puppy pads she didn't care where they were. Your boy not toileting unless he's at home is an issue for you. He's holding for such a long time for a pup so young. Hopefully someone here can help you.
    What sort of pup is he? Love to see some pics!

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    It seems like your puppy is target trained - to go on the puppy pad which may or may not be a good thing.

    You can try - taking the puppy pad out side have a cue word (eg "go potty") and praise and maybe treat when your puppy uses the pad outside.

    When this is working well - you can try making the puppy pad smaller - for outside. And over time (a week or so?) make it smaller and smaller - just a little bit smaller each time. And put the pad down outside where you want him to go and praise when he does.

    My dog - doesn't like to crap on road verges - I think she doesn't feel all that safe there - she'd much rather crap at home, the beach or the park than next to a road. Which is handy for me - cos we don't have many bins along the footpaths here. When she was about 18 months old she started to pee over other dog's marks. I figure it was a sign of being all grown up.

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    Oh yeah, I meant to say that being desexed doesn't prevent a male dog from lifting his leg to pee as far as I know. But they don't start doing it until they're older. I had a desexed female dog who used to kind of lift her leg.

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    It is quite possible that your puppy is nervous outside the home and cannot relax to go to the toilet.

    You may like to start training your puppy to toilet on cue. There are several threads about this.

    Pick a word, eg: toilet. Wait for puppy to squat (on his pee pad) and say the word and reward. You can then translate this to outside.

    For optimum results taking him outside just after eating and waking is the time most pups need to toilet. However if you live in a unit I'd be happy to really cement the idea of toileting on the pee pads before worrying about anything else.

    Most 14 week old puppies do not lift their leg regardless of desexing, they are too young to be marking their territory. Also many adult desexed dogs do lift their leg, particularly if they have other dogs to copy.

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    Red face

    Quote Originally Posted by grevillea47 View Post
    What sort of pup is he? Love to see some pics!
    I've never uploaded a photo... so here goes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    When this is working well - you can try making the puppy pad smaller - for outside. And over time (a week or so?) make it smaller and smaller - just a little bit smaller each time. And put the pad down outside where you want him to go and praise when he does.
    This is a good idea. I cut the pads in half at home anyway and he uses them ok. I should use the other half for outside. I'll look a little funny with a pad and a tiny fluffy poofball in a park haha

    Thanks for all your help guys,
    I'll try everything you suggested, especially the patience part seeing as he is so young.

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    Hey Vaun, this may sound like a silly question but noone else asked so i thought i should.

    When you take the puppy pad outside, is it a used one or fresh? Sometimes it helps if there is already urine smell on the pad. If it is his own, this might help him.

    Everyone else's tips are great too, particularly the one mentioning that he may be nervous about going outside.

    Out of curiosity, why on earth did they desex the pup so young. Please tell me it wasn't really so he wouldn't cock his leg...

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    Firstly why do you take a 14 wk old pup for a 30-45 min walk and then the same in the afternoon when it should be only 5 mins once per day.

    Why was he desexed so young, surely you don't think it's to stop him lifting his leg or marking. Not all Dogs (males) lift their leg, my GSD Rex who is now 10 yrs old and was desexed at 11 mths never lifted his leg - He just leans forward lifts his tail and wees.

    I have never used puppy pads, as I used newspaper which would be much cheaper than puppy pads. When puppy wees get your newspaper say 6 pages and rub some wee on it, place it where you want puppy to wee. When puppy wants to wee he will sniff around and smell the wee on the newspaper and wee or poo on it. You can do the same outside too. You do say to him "go wee wee" and when he does you make a big fuss and say "good boy" and give him a treatie I hope.

    As your puppy is only 14 wks old, don't expect too much all these things take time even with GSDs the smartest breed.
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    [QUOTE=Dogman;186528]Firstly why do you take a 14 wk old pup for a 30-45 min walk and then the same in the afternoon when it should be only 5 mins once per day.

    Why was he desexed so young, surely you don't think it's to stop him lifting his leg or marking. Not all Dogs (males) lift their leg, my GSD Rex who is now 10 yrs old and was desexed at 11 mths never lifted his leg - He just leans forward lifts his tail and wees.

    I have never used puppy pads, as I used newspaper which would be much cheaper than puppy pads. When puppy wees get your newspaper say 6 pages and rub some wee on it, place it where you want puppy to wee. When puppy wants to wee he will sniff around and smell the wee on the newspaper and wee or poo on it. You can do the same outside too. You do say to him "go wee wee" and when he does you make a big fuss and say "good boy" and give him a treatie I hope.

    As your puppy is only 14 wks old, don't expect too much all these things take time even with GSDs the smartest breed. [/QU

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