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    Hi Everyone --

    I'm wanting some advice around the purchase of puppies...

    My husband and I consider ourselves reasonably experience dog handlers, having been around dogs our entire lives (Me with German Shepherd and Rhodesian Ridgebacks and him with Blue Heelers), however we have recently had a VERY bad experience with our German Shepherd pup. We purchased her from a backyard breeder (our first mistake). We saw the mother and the grandmother, but not the father (our second mistake) and she was one of the quieter ones (our third mistake). Anyway, she has ended up, at 7 months of age, quite aggressive, which we have been told is more than likely genetic - as we have done nothing to cause it. We have had her at a regular trainer from the time she was 8 weeks of age, and more recently, given we weren't getting any results, took her to Michael Tucker (you may have heard of him, as he is the President of the Aussie Dog Trainers Association). Unfortunately, it has come to the stage where we have had to get rid of her. We are in the process of trying to re-home her with an ex dog squad cop, who now runs a security company. If it doesn't work out with him, we may have to put her to sleep.

    Anyway, so that's our background - as you can imagine, our confidence has been shattered. We have now disided that we will purchase small dogs. Our family has two Mini Foxie bitches (one pure, the other x Maltese) from the same mother, who are bomb proof with kids and are really robust, happy little dogs. We have decided to breed one of them. So my questions are these:

    1. We have desided to breed the Mini Foxie bitch to a nice Maltese. Does anyone now of a Maltese dog in the Melbourne area who may be good to breed with Mini (original name I know )?

    2. We are wanting to take on two of the pups - does anyone have any thoughts around this? I realise taking on two large breed pups at the same time is a seriously bad idea - but having never had small dogs, I need some advice around this!

    Thanks Everyone for taking the time to listen to my rant Hope you can help!

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    Hi,

    First, I'm sorry to hear about your GS.
    I really don't want to offend anyone, but in my opinion, breeding mixed breeds on purpose is irresponsible. I don't have anything against mixed breeds, I own it myself, but there's a reason why dogs are being bread.

    You intend to do exactly what the guy you bought your GS did - backyard breeding.

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    If you want smaller dogs have you considered a pound or animal shelter first?
    After getting Kimba, I will NEVER breed a dog. I walked past at least 30 dogs who desperately needed a home. It broke my heart that I could only take one.
    There are already too many dogs that need homes.

    On another note, I had a fox terrier x chihuahua and she was more aggressive than our bully x (he was dog aggressive after a fight *read below*)
    She thought she was much larger than she was.(Missy in my Albums)
    She attacked our neighbours dog (a Great Dane) luckily it was a huge wuss and ran away.

    Puppies whether they are large or small are a lot of work together.

    *My brothers both got dogs from the same litter (a boy & girl) and they were a lot of work.
    They were extremely jelous of one another and it ended in tragedy one day when they got into a fight over a tennis ball.
    None of the fights had been aggressive until this one. The girl died in my brothers arms on the way to the vet. (being the breed they were they wouldn't let go of each other, even with 3 men trying to pull them apart.)

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    Thanks for the responses guys... Fedra, no offence taken. I actually tend to agree with you and we have desided to breed with a pure Foxie that we know.

    Just to qualify...The reason we have desided to breed - and I do understand that there are a lot of really nice dogs out there looking for homes but... we don't want to take the risk of purchasing another animal that we don't know the background - large or small. We have considered getting a shelter animal, but again, we don't know the complete background. At least if we breed from Mini we will know the mother, grandmother, great-grandmother and at least 4 relatives. If we use the male that we're thinking of, we will know at least 2 generations on that side too. It's reasonable to believe that personality and temperament will be fairly predictable. With regard to being a backyard breeder... we have no intention of selling any of the pups. They will be distributed among various family members who are keen to have one.

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    I dont understand why you have decided to breed in order to "Know the back ground of the pup" regardless of your reasons it is still irrisponsible to breed more puppies into a world full of animals looking for loving, caring homes.

    If you want to know the background of the pup and be sure of a lovely temprement, buy from a lincened pedigree breeder that tests their breeding animals for temprement and genetic health disorders before mating and can give you the full back ground and family history already. The simple fact is that you dont acctually know what you are doing when it comes to breeding a well behaved and healthy dog so leave it to the breeders who have a passion for the breed and whos programs have been running for up to 30 years in order to maintain breed standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbiegirl View Post
    I dont understand why you have decided to breed in order to "Know the back ground of the pup" regardless of your reasons it is still irrisponsible to breed more puppies into a world full of animals looking for loving, caring homes.

    If you want to know the background of the pup and be sure of a lovely temprement, buy from a lincened pedigree breeder that tests their breeding animals for temprement and genetic health disorders before mating and can give you the full back ground and family history already. The simple fact is that you dont acctually know what you are doing when it comes to breeding a well behaved and healthy dog so leave it to the breeders who have a passion for the breed and whos programs have been running for up to 30 years in order to maintain breed standards.
    I agree a puppy from a good registered breeder is what i would recommend for you and your family. You have hundreds of years of solid parentage, full follow up support and guidence and if you are not 100% happy they will take the dog back into their fold.

    Please, please: dont breed There is a massive oversupply of dogs in this country. Back yard breeders in particular are responsible for thousands of deaths a year in pounds and shelters due to irresponsible breeding, poor rehoming and no follow up guidence or support.

    I see these dogs daily in rescue work and it is nothing short of devastation.

    Please let us know what you decide and if you would like any further help in making a responsible decision We all really do care.

    Nic

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    [QUOTE=Sharoo;1082]If you want smaller dogs have you considered a pound or animal shelter first?
    After getting Kimba, I will NEVER breed a dog. I walked past at least 30 dogs who desperately needed a home. It broke my heart that I could only take one.
    There are already too many dogs that need homes.

    So true Yay for the rescued babies!

    Nic

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    Hi,
    I am all for the bomb proof type of dogs and I can assure you there are too many being put down because they don't have a home
    I have bought a PB from a reg breeder and I wasn't as happy with him as I was with my rspca pup! He ended up being rehomed...and my rspca pup went on to be and obedience and agility champ I couldn't have asked for a better behaved, loyal dog

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharoo View Post

    On another note, I had a fox terrier x chihuahua and she was more aggressive than our bully x (he was dog aggressive after a fight *read below*)
    She thought she was much larger than she was.(Missy in my Albums)


    Same with my mini foxy x chihauhau!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozeymum View Post
    Same with my mini foxy x chihauhau!
    I grew up with Mini foxies for pets and they where just lovely.

    Must be the chihauhau lol

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