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    I think you may find that any registered breeders wont want to give you advice, because by not following the breeding "rules" you are sort of making a mockary of the hard work they put in.... Just my 2 cents.

    IF when Mia is old enough, her hips and elbows and breed survey come back positive then we may breed with her, but it is dependant upon her being suitable, you don't know (without tests) what genetic disposition to certain traits are, and what she could have passed through to the pups, which could (in an extreme case) shorten their life, give them illnesses, pain etc. Thats what genuine breeders worry about and avoid at all costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    As long as the pups are putting on weight I wouldn't worry. They will empty a breast and then go to another. I would be feeding mum puppy food for the extra calories though

    In regards to breeding.. if you don't want to be classed as a BYBer then why don't you get the hip xrays and stuff and register your pups. It's also not much to register a kennel name
    Thanks for the suggestion.

    Registration sounds a bit daunting. It almost (to me) sounds like I am setting myself up to be a breeder of Miniature Pinschers in to future. Do you have many people who have registered kennel names but don't actually breed anymore?

    The X-rays and additional health checks I can understand, but up until now my vet hasn't recommended it. Is the X-ray something your club organises or do I have to insist that my vet carry out these checks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodiesGirl View Post
    I think you may find that any registered breeders wont want to give you advice, because by not following the breeding "rules" you are sort of making a mockary of the hard work they put in.... Just my 2 cents.
    You know when you put it that way I can see where a breeder might be coming from. My intention was never to breed in "competition" with other breeders, but for myself as family members. And I can also understand if they don't like giving advise.

    Just out of personal interest, with all the genetic testing that is being done, shouldn't the breeders have eliminated most of the serious genetic issues by now through their selective breeding programs? I would have assumed major breeding houses have reached a point where it's just down to a worrying about random breed show defects in litter (too big, too small, colour, stumpy snout, poor gate etc). Or is the genetic testing too "new" ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhound View Post
    If you already feed fresh meat simply add the ox cheek to the meat you usually use. If I could get it minced I fed it raw. If I could only get it in large pieces I cooked it as it's difficult to cut when raw.
    It's worth a try as something different ... as long as it doesn't stimulate extra gas responses from the gal!

    I weighed the pups just then and they hit their ~10% growth mark from the previous day.

    Wow ... after 9 days they have over doubled in size and tiny little personalities are creeping through!

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    As the reg breeder/non reg discussion seems to be ongoing, I have two cents...

    You can't obtain a kennel prefix after breeding pups, it has to be done beforehand, after completing exams on welfare and ethics matters, and being approved by your State body. So it wouldn't matter if you now applied for a prefix - these pups could never be registered.

    My suggestion would be to, as you have planned, keep your babies as family pets and desex your whole little family. I knew folks that had an accidental litter from their registered purebred pets and did just that.

    As Minpins have a long life expectancy I wouldn't think you'd need to breed any more, as these guys will be around for a long time yet. You may find that, rewarding as it is, breeding often turns out being more costly financially and emotionally than buying quality pups from a registered breeder. You have been fortunate with your litter so far - your care of them contributes to this of course - but pregnancy and whelping can be hazardous to your bitch's health and I'm sure you wouldn't take any more risks with her than you had to.

    Minpins aren't overly prone to poor health or genetic disorders that I'm aware of - but I'm no expert on the breed! I know they can have a tendency towards luxating patellas, and a genetic condition of the femur (Legg-Calves Perthes Disease) which has a similar result to dysplasia. But this condition shows up in young dogs (usually up to a year old) so you should be safe from that, I think age is the test for it at the moment, I haven't heard of a genetic screen for it.

    I'm not sure how prevalent these conditions are in Australian stock. Your adults come from registered breeders, so they would be more aware of, and working towards avoiding any faults within their lines. But every generation further you move away from the experienced breeder's screening and opinion is where you can land in problems. Like a beginner teaching themselves to swim without help from someone who knows a bit about it!

    Keep sending us photos, and smelling that puppy breath!

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    You know, I'm not a breeder but I would have thought that breeding a 7 year old bitch, for the first time or even for the last time time, to be very wrong.
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    Could be. But done is done. Would depend on her health and fitness level. Some dogs are only mature at about four or five so it varies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    You know, I'm not a breeder but I would have thought that breeding a 7 year old bitch, for the first time or even for the last time time, to be very wrong.


    Not saying I don't agree with you Anne , but be honest now.There are many 'registered,''ethical' so they like to be called breeders who breed bitches of that age and sometimes older.


    I guess at the end of the day , I truley fail to see how hammering a person who has yes,perhaps made a less then ideal judgment call but has come here to learn and better themselves and the life of their dogs will help the sickening masses we get flooded with everday.

    This person cared enough to come here.
    The baddies we want to hang would not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Not saying I don't agree with you Anne , but be honest now.There are many 'registered,''ethical' so they like to be called breeders who breed bitches of that age and sometimes older.
    I would make the exact same comment irrespective of the breeder being a registered breeder or not Choppa. I thought you would have understood my views a little better. I believe in responsible breeding and breeding to produce healthy sound pups, not breeding for egotistical purposes, profit or plain selfish pleasure.

    Breeding a 7 year old dog, in my view, is wrong. The dog is even grey in the face in the pictures.

    You might think that it is acceptable to do this, or that it is acceptable becaise the breeder has sought help after the deed was done, but they haven't sought help to determine if they were doing the right thing by the dog, they sought help because they were having problems with the pups feeding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    I would make the exact same comment irrespective of the breeder being a registered breeder or not Choppa. I thought you would have understood my views a little better. I believe in responsible breeding and breeding to produce healthy sound pups, not breeding for egotistical purposes, profit or plain selfish pleasure.

    Breeding a 7 year old dog, in my view, is wrong. The dog is even grey in the face in the pictures.

    You might think that it is acceptable to do this, or that it is acceptable becaise the breeder has sought help after the deed was done, but they haven't sought help to determine if they were doing the right thing by the dog, they sought help because they were having problems with the pups feeding.

    But Anne , I do agree with you for the most part and I certainly do not find it 'acceptable'.
    But its no good hanging the owner out to dry now,the pups are here .
    I feel it more constructive to 'help' so it doesn't happen again and the dogs already here have a better chance at being healthy.
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