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    Hi All,

    We are after a small to medium dog and have been researching the options. We do not have a huge backyard, but a large oval nearby and so the dog will get alot of exercise.

    We are looking at a Poodle, but I am not sure what the difference (other than size) is with the minature and the toy. Is there a difference in personality/temprement?

    Also, are there any health issues that are Poodle specfiic that we should be looking out for?

    Thanks!

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    Mini poodles are smart, affectionate, and don't shed hair, but they tend to be highly strung, emotionally fragile, prone to addison's disease and renal failure, and they yap a lot. Standard poodles are great dogs, very social and playful, and respond to training very well. They also require a lot of grooming and are prone to serious health problems such as bloat, tracheal collapse, and ear infection.



    Have a look at mini fox terriers. Mini foxies are fantastic. They're also pretty yappy and highly strung but are tough as nails and highly intelligent and adaptable. They don't suffer from many health problems, good with kids, don't need grooming, and will happily fit in with your life as long as you're a reasonably active person.

    MINI FOXIE
    TENTERFIELD TERRIER (variant of the mini foxie)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProspectivePuppyParent View Post
    Hi All,

    We are after a small to medium dog and have been researching the options. We do not have a huge backyard, but a large oval nearby and so the dog will get alot of exercise.

    We are looking at a Poodle, but I am not sure what the difference (other than size) is with the minature and the toy. Is there a difference in personality/temprement?

    Also, are there any health issues that are Poodle specfiic that we should be looking out for?

    Thanks!
    Welcome to the forum PPP!

    I don't have much experience with Poodles... but we have a member who does own some so hopefully she can come on and give you some advice.

    The only thing I will say is that if you find a good ethical breeder that does thorough health testing on all dogs before breeding, it should help reduce any heath issues. Most dog breeds are susceptible to some kind of issues and sometimes no matter what testing etc is done by the breeder you can still end up with a pup with issues. I think a lot though would help you out if one of their pups was to become sick. They will also help you out matching temperaments of puppies with what you will need as well.

    If you are certain a poodle is what you want then its best to start looking around at all the different breeders and maybe attend some dog shows to meet some breeders as well.

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    Hi PPP

    I don't know much about toy poodles - but I've met quite a few gorgeous minature poodles.

    In particular - if you are in Adelaide - there is a lady who breeds minature poodles under the name of Hillani - and these dogs do very well at our dog club and in obedience and agility competitions. And they're so friendly. They do have a tendency to bark a lot when excited but I'm sure it's manageable. Ie it would help if the owner didn't join in barking at them.
    Hillani Poodles, Janet Hillani - Athelstone - petpages.com.au
    Note if those contact details are no good - I can ask at my dog club for help contacting them. Or you can ask dogs SA.
    Dogs SA :: Official Website

    If you're not in South Australia - there are poodle clubs for the other states and you can google or get in touch via the dog association in your state eg dogsnsw, dogsvic etc.

    I can also find the contact details for someone named Peggy who has two black small poodles - probably minature. She does dog grooming for a living and quite a few of my dog park friends go to her to get their dogs clipped. She would know who the good breeders around Adelaide are too.

    If you are going for the best - you may need to be patient - it takes a while for a bitch to come in season and then a bit longer for the puppies to be born and grow old enough for adoption. And not every bitch is bred every season (this is a sign of a good breeder that they don't keep a bitch continually pregnant).

    And if you can get in touch with the poodel club of south australia (they seem a bit web phobic but the Hillani breeder should be able to put you in contact) - find out when their next social meetings are and go along and meet some poodles.

    The main thing about poodles is they have a wooly coat that needs clipping regularily. I think they may also have a problem with something called PRA which can lead to blindness - but a good breeder will have done the tests to make sure she's not putting two dogs both carrying PRA genes together.
    This is the genetic database list (mostly sourced from USA - so Australian dogs may not have so many problems with these)
    Disorders by Breed - Poodle (Miniature) - LIDA Dogs - Faculty of Veterinary Science - The University of Sydney

    Poodles are listed under "non sporting" dogs in the ANKC and state based associations.

    Whatever breeder you do choose - make sure they meet these criteria
    What is a responsible companion animal breeder? - RSPCA Australia knowledgebase

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    I have a miniature poodle. I really like her a lot. Since having her I've met a range of poodles and they all have distinct personalities. So while some can be really sensitive, others can be pretty relaxed, some are exuberant, others are not. So regardless of the "typical" temperament, there is a huge range in between.

    I have found her really smart, she learns things quickly. She doesn't shed and is pretty obedient. I've met other dogs her age and she seems to be much more "practical" (good with car travel, can walk on or off lead, will go anywhere pretty much).

    At the same time there are many down sides. They require a lot of exercise, even though they are small they have a lot of energy. A big backyard isn't enough, they need dedicated exercise everyday. She is very energetic and very excitable (I think the minis are most like this). They can also get bored easily, and seem to get into trouble. They also require frequent grooming.

    I wasn't keen on the toy poodles as I had heard that they are rather "fragile" and that jumping down from things or a bit of rough play can injure them. As my puppy is around children sometimes, and comes out to horse paddocks and such, I didn't want a dog that could be so easily injured. I like the size of miniature, they're light enough to pick up and carry. She is the same *size* as my mother's Jack Russell, just with longer legs so she is taller.

    I would definitely only get a poodle from a well known breeder who can advise you on a suitable puppy and has done the required health testing. Each state has a poodle club often with a list of breeders.

    On another note, i don't know if it is just my dog or a poodle characteristic, but she is much more interested in human companionship than other dogs, and doesn't like being left alone for long periods, so if you just want an outdoor dog that lives its own life, a poodle might not be right.

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    Thanks for your replies!

    I am hearing that there may be some issues with a Poodle's temperament being a little bit on the high strung side. I guess it will be really important to meet the puppy's parents and ask questions from the breeder.

    I am still on Google looking at breeds and the Miniature Schnauzer has come up as well. Do people think this is an option?

    I am a little concerned that if we get a Poodle and it is a bit emotionally fragile this could be a problem as I work with young children and would like to very occasionally take the puppy to work with me. It is therefore really important that I make the right decision, not only as this puppy is going to be an important member of our family, but will also be an important member of my preschool community! I also understand that it will be important that we socialise the puppy with other dogs and children from a young age.

    So, I am a little bit undecided. I have contacted some Poodle breeders so hopefully we can meet a few soon!

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    Minature schnauzers - and poodles - are variable. Most of the minature schnauzers I know - are a little bit harder to train than the poodles (though that may be something to do with the owners), but they're more likely to behave nicely too and hang around the owners on walks. There are some really loud and anxious MS around - but we don't see them at our parks very often - which is probably a contributing factor.

    If you want your dog to be nice around children - make sure it gets to meet and greet lots of children every day. I used to take mine to the oval next to the local school when school got out... or lunch time. And then it was a matter of making sure the kids took turns to pat the cute puppy... under the chin and on the chest, no hugs and no pats on top of the head.

    I've seen both of these breeds be great with children. But I never leave my dog alone with small children. Small children are unpredictable and sometimes quite nasty - and that goes double for their parents.

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    Have you had a look at Cavalier King Charles Spaniels? They are great family dogs. You just have to make sure you find a really good breeder though to avoid any heath issues.

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    Keep an eye out on RSPCA Adopt a pet and other rescue websites if there are any in your area. You may not get the purebred that you were wanting but you will have the chance to feel great about rescuing a dog Dogs and puppies from rescue organisations are relatively cheap considering they've been desexed, wormed, vaccinated, microchipped, temperment tested etc. My partner and I were both dead-set on getting a purebred puppy, but went to the RSPCA and now have two cross-breeds that are such wonderful dogs- and I think they know they have been rescued because there is that little bit of extra love that you only see in rescue pooches It really is a great feeling watching them grow to love life and knowing that you've had a part in that

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProspectivePuppyParent View Post
    Hi All,

    We are after a small to medium dog and have been researching the options. We do not have a huge backyard, but a large oval nearby and so the dog will get alot of exercise.

    Thanks!
    My suggestion for you would be to look here to start with :

    BREED SELECTOR | MY DOGĀ®

    Answer the questions and see how you go ! It would probably be better to answer the questions being somewhat conservative, than what you dream or think will happen with your new pup !

    Once you have selected a breed, then have a look here for health problems:

    Breeds by Groups - LIDA Dogs - Faculty of Veterinary Science - The University of Sydney

    If a pure breed is not what you really want or you are still unsure - then try this one:

    About PetRescue - Australia's number one animal rescue resource!

    There is a heap of information on this site and well worth spending the time and having a really good look at it all. There are also breed specific rescues - so maybe one of these would suit you.

    Then there is this website:

    K9 Pro The K9 Professionals; Online Dog Shop

    I would also suggest that you have a good look around this site !

    Happy hunting !

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