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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    standard scam. at least if you got him from the RSPCA (they're pretty good at homing puppies) - he would come with free vet for 2 weeks if he needed anything, and a lot better puppy pack and follow up info and you would not be rewarding pet shop or breeder for bad breeding and selling.

    I don't want you to feel bad about it now, but I really hope you don't do it again. Personally I would never go into a pet shop that sells puppies.
    I dont feel bad about it, in fact as i mentioned i can not imagine not having him now.

    The shop owner i trust as i have been dealing with him for a few years with my previous dog and also my budgies. He was also closing down and wanted an opportunity to sell Beau so he wasnt surrended.

    Take it as you will, but as i said, the shop owner i do trust.

    Oh, and FWIW....We did go to the RSPCA first, but having 3 small kids there was nothing there i was comfortable bringing home to my children. As sad as that sounds.

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    I actually agree, one reason we did not get a rescue pooch from a shelter also was because, you really don't know how they have been treated. So I didn't want that around my kids either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beaus daddy View Post
    Oh, and FWIW....We did go to the RSPCA first, but having 3 small kids there was nothing there i was comfortable bringing home to my children. As sad as that sounds.
    Sadly this often the case. The working dog rescue that recued my koolie told me that they had fostered him with someone with no children, because of his timid behaviour they didnt trust him with kids. Anyway I took him on and after some training and time to settle he is wonderful with my young nieces and people in general, but it would have been an easy call to make at the time if you had kids as your children are the priority. I doubt the rescue would have let him go to a kid family anyway. Not knowing the dog that he would become.

    The thing here is that we need to work hard to reduce the numbers of these dogs coming into rescues and shelters and really the only way to reduce this problem is to only support ethical breeders. However the problem never seems to go away so it is clearly not happening and certainly not anytime soon from my observations.
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    is it ok for pet shops to sell fish? birds? mice? rats?

    It's a hard call - as we know more about various animals - what I think might change...

    Fish - ok - ie environment in pet shop not significantly different to at home. Perhaps same with any creatures normally kept all the time in small cages. I'm ok with reptiles and insects being sold in petshops too - they're not in need of human interaction.

    With birds - it does depend on the bird and where it's contained and how much company it has. Ie canaries do better than parrots - parrots are just so insanely smart.

    For some pets - I think it would be better for a pet shop to have video of the pets - and then refer you on to where those critters are now.

    For puppies at RSCPA and AWL - they tend to be rehomed very quickly - you'd have to be there first thing on the weekend - or during the week to get one. And both these organisatons like you to bring the entire family and spend half an hour or so with the adoptee - to see how everyone gets along. And this includes the family cat and dog (may have to bring vax papers). But there are loads of other rescues that are foster care based - and it's a more careful process for finding homes for their charges - they will check your home out first...

    http://www.petrescue.com.au/search/?...&s=p&l=a&a_id=

    In Victoria - if you want an Amstaff or Staffordshire bull terrier - or any breed that can be mistook for a pitbull - you need to go to an ANKC registered breeder and get one with papers (limited or main) to prove what breed it is - or you can find your local council ranger confiscating your family pet for looking scary.
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    I think just as with going to a breeder, a rescue or pound may not have the dog for you immediately, it's a matter of going back time and time again and waiting for the right one. And unless you go directly to the breeder you very rarely know the full story, unless they have been assessed in foster care.

    I work with a small dog rescue on the outskirts of Sydney, they have foster carers and they also have kennels. I think no matter what your family dynamic is provided you didn't want anything over cocker spaniel size you would find the right dog immediately and as they rescue pregnant bitches from the local pounds there quite often puppies.

    They do have larger dogs, but not a lot, they will be special needs cases mainly that they have taken out of the pound due to poor health. The main reason they concentrate on small dogs is due to the volunteer base, mainly semi retired people. But other rescues will take larger dogs. If you live in Sydney there are many rescues, probably other states major cities have the same. Then there is looking on the notice board at the local vets etc, sadly there is often notices there too.

    Then there is breed specific rescue. I'm the delegate for Whippets and other breed clubs have similar set ups.

    If someone is interested in a rescue dog it always pays to hook up with someone in the know, found via internet or the local obedience club, or one rescue is always aware of the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    With birds - it does depend on the bird and where it's contained and how much company it has. Ie canaries do better than parrots - parrots are just so insanely smart.
    Yes parrots in small cages have always bothered me somehow. I have seen some that you can tell are insanely bored, they pluck out their feathers and become quite aggressive. They live for so long too up to 50years and need attention and company and stimulation. If they get it they are great companions, but I suspect there are many languishing out there on their own in small cages without much attention, what a horrible boring life.

    Budgies at least you can have them in pairs and toys and mirrors often amuse them and they are much smaller.

    Not sure how I feel about fish and mice, never really given it much thought.

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    There are bird mills too. Mainly USA but haven't googled for Oz

    Birds such as African Grey, Macaw, sulpha crested can live many more years than 50 when looked after properly.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    I bet many of you were clueless about this and you would be crucified on bird forums as some do here with the uneducated.

    https://www.google.com.au/search?q=B...ient=firefox-a

    eg do you feed grains and veges to them regularly, a seed diet??? worst of the worst, at least add pellets, they stay in the cage...OMG
    Small cage?..public enemy No 1. No toys? No mental stimulation//// etc etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Di_dee1 View Post
    There are bird mills too. Mainly USA but haven't googled for Oz

    Birds such as African Grey, Macaw, sulpha crested can live many more years than 50 when looked after properly.
    Yes I can imagine. The things humans do in search of the dollar, it is really is too much sometimes. Parrots really are wonderful creatures that are probably particularly vulnerable to ignorance about their care.

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    If, and personally i hope we do, rid ourselves of pet shops selling pups, and puppy farms. We will be left with BYB.
    IF you are on a pension in australia, BYB is your only affordable option.

    I meet many homeless clients, many of which have some x bred 'dog on a rope'. Never would they be able to afford a pure bred dog. That's just a fact.

    Im sure that there are dogs that are very unhealthy, but ive not seen an unhealthy 'homeless' dog yet?
    And they are so wonderfully trained! Rarely on a leash, yet do not leave my clients side.

    Without BYB, these folks couldnt get a dog. So BYB will always be around to supply them. And when their dogs are breeding age, they can sell the pups themselves.

    NB. Clinical trials do not support the myth that poodles are less likely to cause allergic reactions in humans.

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