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    Default New puppy, toilet training and night time sleeping advice please.

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    Ok I will be gentle.... :-)

    I have two 10 week old cattle dog puppies. Rosie I got first and then 2 weeks later got Lou.

    You need to get some puppy pee pads and try and get her to go on them if you don't want to keep taking her outside to go to the toilet. You need to take her outside everytime she wakes up and usually every 30-40 min. I have a pee pad inside the house where Rosie & Lou will go if I am in the shower or busy etc

    It is nice to have a puppy sleep with you but peeing on the bed cause she can't get up and down is going to wear thin I imagine. Have you tried putting her in a washing basket or box beside your bed that she can get in and out of to pee at night. Rosie slept beside me for the 1st week and it was in a washing basket and she would go and pee in the middle of the night and come back to bed. I also got her a teddy that she slept with/played with in the middle of the night and didn't wake me too much.

    Being so little you may have to set your alarm to take her to the toilet during the night.

    Good luck

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    I always crate my puppies until they are potty trained..once that happens i will just let them be anywhere. I think it is too difficult to train in the wide open spaces (in your case your bed). When my puppies have been very young i have had them next to my bed in a box/crate, so they are not alone.......I have given them lots of outside potty time....After every meal, when they wake up after a sleep. when they seem to maybe need it, when I decide they might need it...Lots of times. I only outside potty train, as I think it make for cleaner dogs. In my eyes inside is inside to a dog and I prefer mine to think outside only. I take mine out like I said frequently as little ones....Several times a night too. I seem to sleep very light when I have puppies, even my dogs I seem to know when they need to get out urgently.
    With mine I always ring a bell, hanging on the door on the way out........I will take them out on leash and not do anything with them, I am boring and do not speak to them. I take them to the area I want to be theirs area....As soon as they do something I praise highly, reward and use the word I want to use all at the same time....i will often let them off and play with them for a short period. None of this happens before the "job" is done

    I also find I miss out on a lot of sleep for the first few weeks, but it is worth the extra effort and my dogs are now very good at letting me know when they have to go and go on command .

    Patience is everything......And I NEVER tell them off for any mistakes, I just ignore and clean it up...i use orang spray in the area afterwards, seems to work. My puppies and adult rescues seem to catch on pretty quick.
    I never have a untrained dog without supervision inside. I prefer the umbilical system for the pups/dogs, until they know outside is outside.

    As a bi-line I also train "inside"..."outside". By throwing treats in or out and calling it.....this means that when they are making a mistake near the door I can say, "outside" and they often get it pretty quick. I also say "inside" and "outside' every time I go in and out........It really helps when you are in a hurry.

    Puppies are hard work and give us sleepless night, but only really for a few weeks and it is all worth it in the end
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    Congratulatons on your new puppy!

    I would definately recommend crate training - generally speaking, dogs won't toilet where they sleep, so putting her in a crate at night means that she will generally let you know that she needs to go. Keep the crate next to your bed so you can hear when she wakes and so she can still be close to you without being in your bed.

    I also agree with Rosies Mum, you may need to set an alarm to bring her to her potty in the middle of the night, sometimes they don't wake up during the night and thats not good for such a little dogs kidneys and such.


    There are more experienced trainers here that will explain crate training alot better than I can.

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    I was having the same problem as you with my puppy a couple of weeks ago, i was thinking what have I got myself in to! lol. I started off the same as everyone else, with the puppy in a box next to my bed. I think the problem is that the puppy is sleeping at one end of your bed, and has no problem with peeing at the other end, because it is not near where she is sleeping......much the same as if you crate train your puppy and the crate is too big, it will just pee at the other end of the crate. It took my puppy about two weeks to sleep more than a couple of hours without wanting to go to the toilet/play at odd hours of the night but he is slowly learning not to wake me unless he really needs to go.......He now wakes me up once during the night to make sure I am still there and sometimes plays with his little teddy and then he will go back to sleep until about 6/7am, which is a great improvement. I think you will find your puppy will have different sounds for different things, much like a baby! I was like you the first couple of nights, having the puppy in my bed because all he did was cry, but putting him in the box taught him not to pee in his bed and to wait until I took him to his pee spot outside. He still cries a bit to come up on the bed but I just ignore it and he stops. I think this will be the easiest way to teach your puppy not to pee in your bed, and then maybe when you are comfortable with her night time routine, you could let her sleep in your bed again.

    What times are you feeding your puppy if you don't mind me asking? At first I was feeding mine 4 times a day but I have now changed it to three meals a day from his kong, and then I use the leftover for treats. This has helped the puppy sleep better at night as I do not allow any food or water after 7pm or earlier if he isn't looking for any, so he does not need to go to the toilet as much, and therefore he sleeps longer. I also wake him up about 3 hours before bed, play with him for a little while or give him something to play with, he sleeps, I wake him up again for a little while take him to the toilet, he sleeps again and then I let him sleep for about an hour before I go to bed, then straight before bed I take him to the toilet (it's usually just a wee) and no play at all, so he knows to go straight to sleep in his box, and he's still sleepy anyway as I have just woken him up. So basically I don't allow him to eat or drink for about 4 hours before bed and make sure he goes to the toilet and plays plenty of times before bed so he is not constantly waking me up. If you put the puppy in a routine like this or whatever you think works for her then she will catch on soon enough. As i said It has taken my puppy a good two weeks to settle into a routine and now in the mornings I can let him on the bed and not worry about him peeing on my doona lol

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    I will also say a crate. As it's a tiny Chi 8 weeks old, it won't be a big crate. You could possible put this on your bedside table or make something makeshift for it to be elevated next to you.

    My mother has a Chihuahua and one thing to remember is although this is a very small pup and most certainly a lap dog they are all dog. Pound for pound they are more dog than most. My mothers sleeps in the internal laundry and has from day one. Apart from being allowed each evening to sit on her lap and allowed to sleep in the internal laundry he has been treated much like any other dog she's ever had.

    Small puppies have small bladders and I suggest you set an alarm or your phone to vibrate to wake you to take puppy to the toilet during the night. I too have a pup at the moment and rain hail or sunshine I take him out of his crate and outside to toilet. I've set up a large umbrella on a fencing stake (umbrella ducktaped to the star picket) so I have cover to stand under while I wait for him to toilet.

    Next tip for small puppies is to have your lawn quite low, long grass will make their bellies wet and they won't like it.

    I give my puppy a pigs ear in his crate, he's had the same one or some time now, if he wakes I often hear him chew on that for a few minutes before he falls back to sleep, if it's been more than 4 hours I will get up if he wakes. He's now able to go thru the whole night, but he is toileted about 11pm and I'm up again for him around 6am.

    I personally don't like food left down for dogs, especially small breeds who can have a tendency to get fussy, but each to his own; a bone is a different matter though and with Chi's it's good to get them used to the idea early on and teeth problems when older are a problem.

    They are a delicate breed at this age, especially in winter, hence why many breeders do not sell them until closer to 12 weeks old but you will soon find if they are raised right they grow into confident, go get em type dogs, full of personality.

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    MNK51, I am going to be a bit of a spoil-sport for you..if you give in too much to your puppy now and always have her with you, you will create an anxious dog..A dog that will suffer form speration anxiety and that is a life of hell for a dog (and the owners)...try to give your puppy a little independence.even if it is only crating/boxing in the same room. It is all too cute to have this little one depend on you, but it will lead to a life of misery.

    Also the peeing on the bed will be extermely hard to break later.....Do it ASAP, with just teaching it with plenty of reward where to go, not the bed...the smells will linger, even if you cannot smell it, and the puppy will think it is the place to go.

    A few rules now will help your puppy lead a happy life.........
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    At the moment the bed is a large area, so for puppy walking to the end of the bed and peeing is going out of it's immediate sleeping area which is why crates are so popular today.

    I agree wholeheartedly with Newfie, nothing more traumatic than raising a dog dependent upon you every minute of the day. And take it from experience, this is my mothers 3rd Chi one of they ways they show anxiety is peeing or marking (for the males).

    I spend lots of time with my dogs, but they also spend lots of time without me. They are often not in the house until about 1pm, then I have an open door policy. This has gotten them used to being outside (or not directly with me) when I'm home, making it less traumatic for them when I go out.

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    Congratulations on your new puppy

    I would definitely recommend crate training also, it has benefits of not just helping you toilet train, if your pup is ever hurt in the future and needs time in the vets or be kept quiet while getting better - being crate trained will not make them so stressed in that situation

    We crate trained one of our rescue pups, he has a big crate that we feed him and he sleeps in it too. We are so surprised that come dinner time he is sitting in his crate waiting for dinner and he even takes himself off to the crate to sleep in the evenings - its his safe place where the other dogs cant hassle him

    So if you dont want to crate train - it will take a little patience and consistency but you will get there, puppy pads are a good idea or you could look for a bit of synthetic grass to put in your ensuite on top of the puppy pads

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