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    Unhappy No Where for Harley to Walk! :(

    I'm running out of places to walk poor Harley, down one end of my road every house has one or two dogs which makes it impossible to walk him past the houses and down the other I have noticed some people have been leaving their gate open and two dogs are free to walk out when they want.

    On Tuesday I walked him past and two dogs ran out at us so I legged it back to our house so there was no scene or dog fights. I haven't taken him past since but Bella and I went for a walk up there this arvo (she is okay as there is no DA in her) and one ran out hackles up stalking us until we left its "territory".

    It means he has about 500m that he is able to walk along and Bella and I will have to walk the other way which means we will have a procession of dog barks following us.

    Its got me pretty annoyed!

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    That's very annoying.

    We have one dog in our street that regularly is out and seems quite territorial. She chases me when I ride past on the bike too though I eventually discovered that she stops when I talk to her. My old dog - who didn't like many dogs - got into a scuffle with her the first week we moved in and after that they avoided eachother when they met (walked off with stiff legs and threatening looks).

    Can you talk to the neighbours about it? And if that fails, complain to the council about their dogs not being contained? And would it help to do some desensitisation excercises with Harley with the dogs behind the fence?

    And if all else fails, can you drive them somewhere where you can walk in peace? Not ideal, though I drive my dog to an off leash area twice a day usually, just because it's a nicer spot to walk.

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    http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LE...08/08AC074.pdf
    from the huge pdf of the law, near the end in chapter 9



    194 Particular persons must ensure dog does not attack or
    cause fear
    (1) A relevant person for a dog must take reasonable steps to
    ensure the dog does not attack, or act in a way that causes fear
    to, someone else or another animal.
    Maximum penalty—
    (a) if the attack causes the death of or grievous bodily harm
    to the person—300 penalty units; or
    (b) if the attack causes the death of the animal—100 penalty
    units; or
    (c) if the attack causes bodily harm to the person or
    animal—50 penalty units; or
    (d) otherwise—20 penalty units.
    (2) In this section—
    relevant person, for a dog, means—
    (a) the owner of the dog; or
    (b) any responsible person for the dog.
    There are some "defenses" ie if the dog was teased or provoked or attacked someone who was trespassing on his property or the dog is a working police dog etc.

    I can't think that applies to the dogs down the road.

    There's usually some more stuff about not letting the dogs wander the streets.

    So you definitely want to have a discussion with your local dog ranger about this one if you want your streets back.

    I'm currently in discussions to report a dog that attacked two small dogs and drew blood, went after Frosty grovel dog, and put it's teeth on my arm when I stopped it. The owner was not in control and did not do anything about it until the dog drew blood on the second small dog (I was sorry I let it go), and an army of angry dog owners descended on him. A pity he doesn't speak better English. This all happened yesterday, didn't see that dog today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    And would it help to do some desensitisation excercises with Harley with the dogs behind the fence?
    How would I do this? That sounds like a great idea! He normally pulls a lot when I walk him as well, so when we walk past a house with a barking dog its a struggle to keep him focused on where we are going and not wanting to run over to the fence. He was a lot better today when there were no distraction (on our very short walk) he stayed beside me most of the time .

    @ Hyacinth, I have only noticed it this week so if it continues I will probably make a complaint. I am not good at all with any sort of confrontation so I like to take the easy way out. Not many people walk their dogs at all in my suburb though. There is only one other family over my side of the neighbour hood that do it, so its probably never been a problem to these people before.

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    I find that ppl in my area who have small jack Russell / foxy types just let them run free. yer these dogs may be pretty much harmless and not do much damage. But they drive my two mad. It's so hard to control them when I have some macho fox terrier marching down the street behind me like he is a hero.

    I have been pulled down the street by mine when a mimi poodle x tried to attack.

    My worst fear is one of mine getting off and retaliating and I can imagine the owners having a cry about my dangerous rottweilers.

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    Yeah one is a little fluffy one, I am not so worried about that one as I can keep Harley well enough away and it barks from a distance. The other I am not sure of the breed, I think maybe a bitsa?! But he is much more bolder, I think out of the two Harley would come out on top but that is the last thing I want for Harley and for the other dog. I would probably end up in the middle trying to break them up.

    Its all to much stress for me lol if only Harley was a lazy bones and didn't love his walks so much or wasn't DA! Is there any way to train aggression out of dogs? lol that would solve all of my problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadielee87 View Post
    How would I do this? That sounds like a great idea! He normally pulls a lot when I walk him as well, so when we walk past a house with a barking dog its a struggle to keep him focused on where we are going and not wanting to run over to the fence. He was a lot better today when there were no distraction (on our very short walk) he stayed beside me most of the time .
    I'm not an expert. I've been getting lots of advice on training here - including about desensitisation.

    I do clicker training with my dog which I find makes it easier to tell the dog exactly what they are supposed to do. And then I will click and reward Banjo if she is calm and looks at me when we are near something/someone I do not want her to go to or jump on or whatever. With her it's exuberance, not aggression that gives me grief, but the process would be the same, I imagine. It's all about letting the dog know exactly what it is that you do want them to do instead of the unwanted behaviour.

    I don't know if you're already doing training with him at home?

    I don't know if anyone here can give advice specifically on training out dog aggression. I know Newfsie did it with one of his, so it's definitely possible. And when I was looking for books on dog training I came across quite a few that were about just that.

    Good luck!

    And Hyacinth, that sounds full on! I can't stand it when owners don't react when something like that happens. Scuffles can break out, but you don't just let them happen without interfering - especially when it gets that aggressive. And they should not have had their dogs off the lead in the first place if they had no control at all over them of course. Hope your arm is ok.

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    I'm only doing basic stuff, pretty much re-visiting puppy school. Lol thats all I know how to do! Bella will be going to a course in a month or so hopefully so it will be good if I can pick some things up from there to teach him at home.

    I've got a clicker that we used at puppy school somewhere, so I might have to find that and start using it again too!

    I think for his dog aggression I would need to get someone in to fix that (if its fixable). When he went to puppy school he was never interested in any of the other dogs, they would go to play with him and he would run away and hide. And I think as he got older and bigger I use to panic when I seen another dog coming when we were walking (after a few bad experiences I think) which would have made him think other dogs are bad!

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    I had quite a few layers of clothing on yesterday morning so I felt it but it did no lasting damage. Was a kind of warning grab more than a savaging. But I can't say that dog was so gentle with the small dogs it bit.

    I'm meeting the ranger at that oval tomorrow morning. Should freak a few people out. Especially if she decides to go check rego tags and effective control (can you recall your dog).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadielee87 View Post
    I'm only doing basic stuff, pretty much re-visiting puppy school. Lol thats all I know how to do! Bella will be going to a course in a month or so hopefully so it will be good if I can pick some things up from there to teach him at home.

    I've got a clicker that we used at puppy school somewhere, so I might have to find that and start using it again too!

    I think for his dog aggression I would need to get someone in to fix that (if its fixable). When he went to puppy school he was never interested in any of the other dogs, they would go to play with him and he would run away and hide. And I think as he got older and bigger I use to panic when I seen another dog coming when we were walking (after a few bad experiences I think) which would have made him think other dogs are bad!
    You may need some expert help, but the clicker training could be a good start to correct the lead pulling when you pass barking dogs. I would not have believed how effective it can be if I would not have tried it myself. My dog turns from an uncontrollable, hazardous jumping/licking/nipping machine into a calm little lamb totally focused on me (read: treats) when I do it - even with the biggest distractions there are for Banjo. We don't do much training at home actually, but I do it constantly when we are out and about. Which means she is actually more obedient when we are out than at home.

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