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    Thank you for your comments and interest in this matter.



    Hon Bryan Green MP

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    Seems this slack politician has an auto email replyer and doesnt listen anyway. I mean this is a politician,why would he still be awake as of just after 9pm when the reply was sent me?

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    Check it out guys -

    Tasmania to ban sow stalls from 2017 - 10/06/2010

    Tasmania to ban sow stalls from 2017

    Thursday, 10/06/2010

    Tasmania today became the first Australian state to ban sow stalls.

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    So they're just restricting the time they're in it, rather than just banning altogether. Great news! Now the question is how will the farmers deal with them now?

    Although this is a little worrying,
    "The Tasmanian Animal Welfare Advisory Committee made no recommendations on the state's use of farrowing stalls, which prevent sows from smothering newborn piglets."

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    Wow! As soon as 2017!

    SSW it's time restriction from 2014 phasing into a total ban in 2017. Plenty of time for a backflip but let's not be cynical

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    I don't want to sound like i'm all for things such as sow stalls and cage eggs, because i'm not,

    But what about the farmers who have earnt their living through these means of farming? During times like these when the economy is low, interest rates are high and farmers have bigger costs such as water, feed and power. The average farmer won't be able to afford a change over.

    Tasmanian agriculture is already under huge amounts of pressure to compeate with industries such as the forestry, many farms have been bought out by companies such as Gunns and turned into tree production, destroying any remaining topsoils, something which is vital to sustaining crop/livestock development, as farmers simply can't afford to run their properties, or the children of farming families are moving to the cities for more moneyand better lifestyles.

    I'm not saying go for broke caging animals, i myself am dead against it, i just think before we go crazy pushing for a ban, we need to come up with viable options so farmers can continue to make a living.

    Or do we want to import all our food from inter-state and overseas?

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    I assume that's why they're phasing it in over 7 years, CJay

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    you think 7 years will be long enough for farmers to earn the money to expaned their properties to continue the same stock numbers, impliment new crop rotation plans, irrigation schemes and waste management plans.

    Old school farmers don't take to change very well, and to them 7 years isn't a long time.

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    I totally see where you're coming from CJay and it is something that needs to be considered. I would like to know how/if farmers are going to receive help with this change. But we have to start somewhere. If we keep putting it off these poor animals will never be treated with the respect they deserve and not like they are a machine. But unfortunately the lack of available land and demand for the mass production of meat & animal products do not allow for the humane treatment of animals

    Even the restricted time of 6 weeks (from 2014) in a sow stall is bad enough, but certainly much better than months on end. Can you imagine 6 weeks of not being able to move at all, let alone months?! These animals have the intelligence of a 3 year old child.

    Ok now I'm blabbing

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    Don't get me wrong, Im certainly very glad this has happened! Im quite right to be cynical when it comes to a practice that has worked quite well (at least for the consumers o.O) for a very long time now.

    Im curious as to how they'll change the keeping of the pigs. Don't forget that factory farming was put into place to keep up with the demand. You would assume that now they can't pack as many animals as possible into a barn, they'd have to downsize dramatically. Is a certain amount of space going to be allocated per animal? Or could this turn into something like battery chicken farming? What they're going to do now is a very serious topic that shouldn't be dismissed because it seems "cynical".

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    No-one's dismissing it. The next step is to help the farmers phase in whatever system they are going to bring in now. But I'll agree the real problem lies with the consumers, these kind of intensive farming practices keep the costs lower in the supermarket but hide the true costs to the environment and, what most consumers don't give a s**t about, the welfare of the animals.

    Bans are necessary because these kind of changes are not going to be made voluntarily. Now hopefully the other states will follow suit or tassie pig farming will become unviable (unless there are enough consumers out there willing to support a niche market of more ethical pork production - which I doubt)

    CJay since you seem to have some background knowledge on this subject I'd be interested to know what your solution is.

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