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    I think in the past few years we seem to have put so much pressure in mainstream schools for children to be up to a set level when they are so young. Alot of countries where they don't teach 'formal' education til the children are older seem to to very very well.

    I find it very interesting to look at the results on the Myschool website for the Noosa Pengari Steiner School, Across the board at Year 3 they are substantially below average but in the later years they are above or substantially above in most areas. I'm guessing this is because they leave the 'formal' stuff til the kids are older.

    Mmmmm food for thought.
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    Exactly right Tkay.. there is a method to their madness and it seems to work.

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    I dont have children, but I do question it, hell if its anything like my schooling was all it was was a social experiment.
    I was pretty much self taught in everything during school days.
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    Hi DA

    As far as I know, the Tasmanian Aborigines were originally on the mainland and migrated in from the land bridge or short boat paddles from PNG same as all the rest of them. There was some speculation that maybe the human race originated in Australia because we have such old stuff here (Mungo? lakes). But that was fashionable idea for about 6 months maybe and they decided on Africa again. That was when a lot more info came out about migrations around the edge of the Indian Ocean to here and how long ago that was. And I think they used DNA to do that. But I'm not sure how. Again it would trace family/ancestral links not "races".

    The question is *When* did the Tasmanian Aborigines migrate?

    So the arguments I've read are along the lines of they came through first and were pushed all the way south by the rest of the tribes coming through after them and may have crossed the land bridge (not sure of timing) to Tasmania. Bass strait would have isolated them though, and allowed for distinctive genetic traits to become more dominant ie visually apparent. Ye old inbreeding or lack of genetic diversity - it's a very very old joke.

    Anyway - those aboriginal boys may have been from mainland parents or not - I don't know.

    Some of the websites mention Aboriginal women being taken by sealers and whalers from Tasmania (and the mainland) to Kangaroo Island. There was a white population on KI way before SA was officially founded (1836).

    The crazy? historian didn't say that any Tasmanian Aborigines survive, he said it wasn't genocide. So a few of them were killed that they have records for, but lots of them would have died from diseases. But diseases usually kill a maximum of 90% of any given population (eg disease control for rabbits) and there will be at least 10% with a natural immunity. Given that the genetics of the Tasmanian Aborigines were already compromised by being in Tas, maybe that wasn't so for them.

    But I think that it would be unlikely. Ie quite a few of the native women married white blokes, and given how much of Tas was far from government control, it is possible / likely they had kids and those had kids... If the kids looked white enough it would be easy for a man to lie about where their mother was or even who she was (eg white mum died in child birth or ran away or is visiting her mum right now so you can't see her). Lots of that happenned in NSW when people covered up their convict ancestry. So I think there might be plenty of long time Tasmanian families with some Aboriginal ancestry in them.

    And there must be lots of decendants of the sealers, whalers and stock men / farmers that have Aboriginal blood in them. And these would have had stronger genetics against the diseases around. There's a strong possibility those kids don't even know about it right now. Of my ancestors alive around 1840, I have gaps in knowledge, I don't know every great great grand parent's name or where they came from. I know some but not all. And I know more than most of my friends about my own ancestry.

    So, while there might not be any full blood Tasmanian Aborigines left, there are still plenty of their decendants. It would be nice if the local Aborigines would stop fighting with each other about who is and who isn't. Banishing a heap of them to Bass Strait islands would not have helped either. I did see a doco about those and they look exactly like the pictures made of their ancesters when Tas was first explored.

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    Thanks Hy. That really does go against what they have been taught last week, and I've been relaying all this back to my son, and he is one of those people who don't like to be taught something that is not 100% correct. So I think he will also be taking this back to his teacher to discuss further with him as well. Cheers.

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    don't = doesn't. Doh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Not neccessarily. It could be that the numbers of children are affecting the result (there may be more in the lower years, than in the secondary levels) or it could be that the children are weeded out as they move through the years so that only the higher performing kids are still there in the later years. It could also be that some remove their children at the end of primary ed, not wanting to pay the more expensive fees and send them elsewhere ans so that those that are left are from families who are more involved in their child's education and are more prone to push them to achieve and to have tutoring for them etc. (not that those who have left are not interested in their child's ed either)

    The My School website is very misleading if you don't speak to the school to find out why the results are as they are.
    I agree that the results shown can be misleading and do certainly not show the full picture but I was just randomly looking at the schools in our area and the results for the Steiner school were SO different to the others, to be substationally below in every subject across the whole year group was shocking to see at first but when looking at the later years they appeared to be more "normal", indeed above average for many subjects, not just in the secondary years but in year 7 (primary) too. This seemed to gel with Pugger's assertion that they get stricter as the kids go through the years

    Boheminac pointed out that she was concerned about her Grandson's abilty in reading, writing and maths abilities at age 5/6 and I was trying to allay her fears a little.
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    I am more concerned when teachers present the facts to students and then push thier own view of how the student should have percieved it.
    This happened to me in High School and i have never forgot it. Whether my opinion was right or wrong morally it was my opinion and i was entitled to it. The subject in question consituted a fail for me in term 3 english year 11.

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    I had the exact same problem with my high school English teachers. Apparently I'm crap at "English". Or my English teachers were idiots. Either way I opted for something I could get "right" for my final year of school and studied and got a great mark in French. Later they made English compulsory for final year school. I think I would have needed to change schools if I had been forced to study English for my Uni Entrance Exams.

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    My mother is acting head maths teacher at wallsend high, is also a hippy at heart. But she never wanted to send us to Steiner schools. She has never been overly impressed by their outcomes. She doesn't have anything negative to say about their long term outcomes but nothing overly positive about them either.

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