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    Hi Bohemiannic

    They can DNA trace families - not races.

    So at the moment they can sort of trace human ancestry back to Africa somewhere, I think they use DNA a bit for that, and they can sort of trace migration from Africa, across India, South East Asia to Australia - and the Australian Aboriginies from - I don't know which ones - have a closer "relationship"? to the Original Africans than almost any other race. Bear in mind there's been a lot of mixing the whole way along. Until white men set up "Customs" and "Border Control", there was/is a lot of mixing between Indonesians, PNG and Northern Australians.

    I think, can't remember where I read it, but Aborigines were very keen on "out crossing" to prevent "in breeding" or genetic disease ie they knew if they had babies with people very unrelated, that those babies would usually be stronger survivors than if they had babies with the next tribe over. I wish I could remember where the hell I learned that. The Arnhem Land tribes have very strict rules about where people are allowed to get their partners from - not allowed from the same tribe.

    There were some stories I learned (much later than school) about various white fella explorers (might have been Charles Sturt - a very honourable fellow) being offered the local women for sex because they wanted stronger babies. And the local women / tribes were very offended when they were turned down. Of course not every traveller turned them down. I'm not sure what the current culture is. I don't think it happens as much now. Missionaries probably put a stop to it. Sort of.

    What the despots can't do is make a genetic triggered disease without risking collateral damage in their own "race". They can't say for certain if a person is Chinese/Caucasion/Negro etc based on their DNA, they can only say they're related to people who live here... It's like the DNA tests on the dogs that look like Pit Bulls coming back "Significantly Chiuaua". They can't even say based on DNA - what colour a person's skin is or what their eyes look like. I think they can say the person has a "red hair gene" but not if that person actually has red hair (the gene is expressed).

    Stuff what the Forensic Science TV shows say. They're not actually scientifically correct. Yet.

    Nearly there but not quite. A sample of 20 people does not reliable science make.
    A New DNA Test Can ID a Suspect's Race, But Police Won't Touch It

    but a correlation of 176 genetic markers is pretty good.

    I found another link that suggested you can mess that up with diet. But what really messes with DNA are viruses. That's how they do Genetic Modification, they use viruses. So theres Viruses (and radiation eg Sun damage) that change genes, as well as your ancestry so it's just not 100% there - yet.

    With computer finger print matching - they don't go for a 100% match either, they look for a certain number of points. Though I've heard finger prints are a fairly unreliable way to get a conviction these days too.

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    This is interesting. Son reckons he was taught yesterday that DNA tests CAN trace groups of ppl, races and sub-races. He is emphatic that the class was taught that it has been proven via DNA testing that the sub-race of Aboriginals here in Tasmania have not one living descendant left.

    I wouldn't have a bloody clue about this stuff, never heard of it before, but as we live here I'm really interested to know if the historical facts they are being taught are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Hi Bohemiannic

    They can DNA trace families - not races.

    So at the moment they can sort of trace human ancestry back to Africa somewhere, I think they use DNA a bit for that, and they can sort of trace migration from Africa, across India, South East Asia to Australia - and the Australian Aboriginies from - I don't know which ones - have a closer "relationship"? to the Original Africans than almost any other race. Bear in mind there's been a lot of mixing the whole way along. Until white men set up "Customs" and "Border Control", there was/is a lot of mixing between Indonesians, PNG and Northern Australians.

    I think, can't remember where I read it, but Aborigines were very keen on "out crossing" to prevent "in breeding" or genetic disease ie they knew if they had babies with people very unrelated, that those babies would usually be stronger survivors than if they had babies with the next tribe over. I wish I could remember where the hell I learned that. The Arnhem Land tribes have very strict rules about where people are allowed to get their partners from - not allowed from the same tribe.

    There were some stories I learned (much later than school) about various white fella explorers (might have been Charles Sturt - a very honourable fellow) being offered the local women for sex because they wanted stronger babies. And the local women / tribes were very offended when they were turned down. Of course not every traveller turned them down. I'm not sure what the current culture is. I don't think it happens as much now. Missionaries probably put a stop to it. Sort of.

    What the despots can't do is make a genetic triggered disease without risking collateral damage in their own "race". They can't say for certain if a person is Chinese/Caucasion/Negro etc based on their DNA, they can only say they're related to people who live here... It's like the DNA tests on the dogs that look like Pit Bulls coming back "Significantly Chiuaua". They can't even say based on DNA - what colour a person's skin is or what their eyes look like. I think they can say the person has a "red hair gene" but not if that person actually has red hair (the gene is expressed).

    Stuff what the Forensic Science TV shows say. They're not actually scientifically correct. Yet.

    Nearly there but not quite. A sample of 20 people does not reliable science make.
    A New DNA Test Can ID a Suspect's Race, But Police Won't Touch It

    but a correlation of 176 genetic markers is pretty good.

    I found another link that suggested you can mess that up with diet. But what really messes with DNA are viruses. That's how they do Genetic Modification, they use viruses. So theres Viruses (and radiation eg Sun damage) that change genes, as well as your ancestry so it's just not 100% there - yet.

    With computer finger print matching - they don't go for a 100% match either, they look for a certain number of points. Though I've heard finger prints are a fairly unreliable way to get a conviction these days too.
    Interesting, I have watched a few programs on SBS about "Where do I come from" or "Who are you", and they did DNA for Race testing and they did identify 3 races in one fellow and when they traced back his family tree and doing the DNA testing they did indeed find that he had these 3 races in his ancestory. I have noticed there is a lot on the internet about DNA for Race testing.
    I will have to go and ask a collegue of mine who works in genetic testing. I think she should be able to give me some insight - Hunter Genetics!

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    Oooh Bohemiannic, could you please get back to me on that one should you speak to your work friend? I would really appreciate it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
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    I kind of want to go to school with him next week to learn all about this and have heaps of questions for his teachers, but he said he'd die of embarrassment! Sigh.
    Hahahahahahaha....I had to laugh at this. Aren't they all the same....

    I love Australian History. Don't know much but would like to learn more. Try your local library. They might have books available on the topic. Teachers had to get the information from somewhere, surely the library would a great place to start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Oooh Bohemiannic, could you please get back to me on that one should you speak to your work friend? I would really appreciate it!
    As soon as I can, I will let you know.

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    Thank you.

    That's a good idea MyDog. I haven't been to a library in decades. Could be fun! Would I have to be quiet, though?

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    DA.....

    Both my Oh & I were quiet shocked & disappointed when we found out that our teen was being educated about other religions at the private school she attended. Both my Oh & I do question about why "other religions" were taught to my teen at private high school. I honestly don't see how learning about a different religion to what my family believe in is going to advantage my kids anyway. It just seems to defeat the purpose of why my OH & I put our kids through certain private religious schools.

    My OH & I choose certain religious schools for our girls in hope that they will get an excellent education (in which they have) & hopefully be educated about their religion & their family's religion.
    Last edited by Aussie Floyd; 02-12-2010 at 07:40 PM. Reason: SP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Floyd View Post
    DA.....

    Both my Oh & I were quiet shocked & disappointed when we found out that our teen was being educated about other religions at the private school she attended. Both my Oh & I do question about why "other religions" were taught to my teen at private high school. I honestly don't see how learning about a different religion to what my family believe in is going to advantage my kids anyway. It just seems to defeat the purpose of why my OH & I put our kids through certain private religious schools.

    My OH & I choose certain religious schools for our girls in hope that they will get an excellent education (in which they have) & hopefully be educated about their religion & their family's religion.
    Jeez, I'd be really pissed off if that happened to my children. REALLY!

    I personally feel no school has a right to teach religion to students unless it is a school deemed to cover that particular religion. That is why parents of that religion, or denomination, have their children there, surely?

    How did you handle that? I would have been demanding a meeting to discuss the removal of my children from those studies. That is so wrong IMO.

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    DA..... both hubby & I did have a meeting with the School Principle & was told that under our regions "Catholic Dioceses Education Office" regulations it is compulsory for yr 11 & 12 students to study religon in the Dioceses schools as part of their Higher School Certificate subjects just as it's compulsory to study the basics such as maths & english under the NSW Board of Studies regulations.. .We had no choice but to allow our teen to attended other religion classes ( not that she took to much notice of the lessons anyway).

    I was just so surprised that some specific religious schools are teaching kids about different religions, it doesn't make sense hey
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