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    Default Oh My God I Seriously Give Up.

    Yes, I am complaining about my 'American' dog forum, but this is the last one.
    I came back yesterday and someone was saying about how there 5 month old Great Dane is having a lot of toilet problems and how he is taking over the house.
    I gave a whole heap of toilet training advice then at the end asked if she had thought of buying a cosy kennel, a jacket and becoming an outside dog.
    Apparently this is the completely most cruelest advice ever given and worth 2'negative reputation' points.
    'wow what terrible advice, nasty!'
    'Not a good suggestion.'
    'making him an outside dog is the LAST thing I would do! Actually, I am not a big fan of any dog being an outside dog.'
    'Wow you shouldnt post unless you have good advice. this advise is just terrible!'
    'don't you work at a vet clinic? i hope to god you don't give that advise to owners who are having trouble potty training.'
    And yeah, you get the picture.
    My god Im over it..
    No longer a member.

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    I don't agree with having dogs outside either. If you can't make your dog a part of your family, you should consider not owning one. Most ppl I know who have dogs, even when they're not allowed inside in rental properties, still have them inside. I am allowed to have my dogs inside in abnormal weather conditions - considering where I live, my dogs are inside all the time.

    A workmate said he put his dog outside to sleep the other night - I told him he was cruel. Why? it was -1 degrees and he has short coated dogs. Hell my dogs often wear coats INSIDE because of the weather.

    Both my dogs I believer were outside dogs before they came to me. Flash - if he has his way - only goes outside when it's time for walkies. Sure, if I kick him out to clean the place or to eat a bone, he goes out - but geeze he looks pathetic.

    My pack live with me - though his nibs rarely comes outside even if I am outside.

    Whilst I wouldn't have given you the blast they did, I don't disagree with their sentiments from a personal point of view.

    Then again lots of ppl think I'm insane for allowing Billie to sleep under the covers (it gets THAT cold here that she is a perfect hot water doggie)

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    But you see, Roly is my family then my dog hence being inside, Lady is my dog then my family hence being outside.
    She is a worker. And talk to any farmer and they will agree a working dog needs to be 'treated' as one. But dont doubt I dont love her as much as Roly cause I so do!
    Her coat adapts to weather so its think in winter, thin in summer, on colder nights she wears a coat, and on even colder nights she sleeps in the laundry although she isnt keen on that idea.
    Just so you know I know what you mean, Roly's coat is very thin, he wears a jacket almost all winter and only goes outside for walks and toilet, he also sleep under my doona on some nights.
    So I am not one sided.
    I think you would get along well with them though, your for crates right? And I think you were against transporting in utes too, so i kinda figured

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    Yes, crates are valuable - if you haven't tried one you wont know. I have had dogs outside and I know it isn't right for a pet dog- and that's what we're talking about here - pets.

    If your working dog attacked stock, you would shoot her? Most farmers would. I can see their points of view too - can't have a killer on the farm and no fair to put a dog like that in the city...

    And yea - transporting in ute's is cruel and illegal unless you do it properly - you might want to check out dogs behind bars - great site with great safe and legal options.

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    I'll agree to disagree Occy, there are too many things I dont agree with there, but I dont want to start an argument.
    I love and care for my dogs as much as anyone, I love and care for other peoples dogs, I know how to treat my dogs just as you do too, but dont tell me im being cruel. Go out into the real country,(im talking hours away from anything) im sure you'll be completely shocked.

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    No one said you didn't love and care for your dogs - but you never answered my question. I firmly believe that putting a dog on a ute unsecured or secured by the neck is cruel - if you do that, I believe you are cruel - if you don't then fantastic.

    I know the country well and there wont be much that surprises me - you seem to think you're dealing with a city slicker...I prefer the city but it isn't the sum of my experience...

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    I don't think the advice you gave was bad at all.

    My three dogs are outside dogs, plainly because they don't like being inside! We let them in, they sniff around, then they go and sit by the back door until we let them out again. They love being outside, and they wouldn't have it any other way. They have a nice big cosy cubby house under the deck which is insulated and protected from wind, they have nice warm comfy bed, and over an acre of land to run around on, and they love it. I wouldn't take that away from them. Sure, if the weather is really really bad, they will come inside, but as soon as the weather is good, they are sitting at the back door waiting to go back outside!

    We have tried to train them to prefer the indoors but they won't have it.

    My dogs are my family, but if they prefer to be outside rather than inside, then thats what will happen.

    Some people think it's cruel to have their dogs outside, but dogs were bred to be outdoors. It's where they belong, they love it.

    I know a lot of people are going to disagree with me, but everyone has their own opinions
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    Cappy loved being outside and was given the opportunity to be inside or outside - he often chose to be outside, especially when he got sicker. Flash would never go out if he could work out how to use the toilet!! Billie is where I am. Dogs are all different, but to say a dog is strictly outside or that dogs were bred to be outside is a fallacy.

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    I don't think there is anything wrong with some dogs living outside. There are breeds that don't fare very well in this environment though and if you owned a Whippet or a Pug for example I might be inclined to say you were not caring for them appropriately.

    If a dog is tethered or crated in the back of the ute than I am fine with this also...unless it was inclement weather and then I would think it was bordering on abuse or it was inappropriate care once again.

    With crating, I firmly believe that many overdo this and it borders on cruelty. I know that crating your dog when you are not home is very common in the US and I find this a very sad thing. Crating serves a purpose and should only ever be a temporary measure for behaviour control or to restrict a dog for whatever purpose.

    It is like feeding your dog. Different things suit different dogs and there is no real hard or fast rule.
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    Crating is not meant to be all the time - never was meant for that

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