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    Well mine can either be outside, inside, crated, penned or kennelled....

    Currently I have two bitches in season. They're kennelled, in metal runs/cages yes. With concrete floors. No mucking about. They are not to be bred yet, they are too young and it could be harmful to them. I have a duty of care to them and locking them up is what it takes. They get out several times a day to run about etc, I haven't had any complaints from them (apart from the ones about me not letting them out with the boys!!).

    I have one foster greyhound who gets too worked up in large spaces and is only happy shut on one of the verandahs where he can see out but feels secure.

    I have my boy Boris who normally sleeps at my bedside, but currently wants to be as close as he can possibly get to Sonya's kennel (ahhh love is grand.... ). Even when she's not in season he actually asks to go out and stay out some nights - heat bothers him but not cold - and rabbits and possums are only running around the yard at night!

    Genie sleeps on his lounge chair next to the fire... enough said - Salukis know they deserve the best, it's just their humans that need educating...

    Ummm...

    Different things work for different dogs is probably what I'm getting at. Every dog and owner is individual and there are so many different ways to look after our dogs that suit us.

    Caging or crating a dog is not cruel. Mine are sometimes crated - they aren't quite Great Danes but they're closer in size to Danes than most other dogs. Crates come in sizes to suit our giant dogs... You just pay more for them, and need more floor space to set them up!!

    Dogs aren't human. We might not like the idea of staying in a small space, but dogs aren't the same.

    I don't like dogs chained onto utes either. I have picked up what's left of them off the highway when chains fail. I also have friends whose best working kelpie gradually stretched his chain by leaning towards the side until he fell off, at night on the way home from mustering... A passing motorist had to tell them, who knows how long he was hanging there but he didn't have alot of his pads left and had several broken legs. They invested in secure cages for the back of the ute - and it cost less than the vet bills or replacing their good dog.

    Also, don't forget that we have a different climate to much of the US. In parts of the US and Canada the livestock have to be indoors throughout winter let alone the dogs. Many folks over there cannot comprehend an animal living outdoors with any comfort level.

    We're all individuals, that's what makesplaces like this great - if we all had the same experience and ideas it would be dull and we'd watch TV instead wouldn't we??

    Phew, that's enough from me.

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    Awww...Your boy Boris is a romantic Nattylou

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    There's nothing wrong with a dog being outside if the weather isnt extreme and there is nothing wrong with a dog sleeping in a crate at night or being in one when you aren't home to supervise, to keep them safe.

    If people want to disagree with me that's fine..everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but telling me I am cruel and abusive would be a tad over the top... which is I guess what the OP is saying.. certainly didn't deserve negative reputation points.
    And this I very much agree with.
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    Oh
    And what are reputation points



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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    There's nothing wrong with a dog being outside if the weather isnt extreme and there is nothing wrong with a dog sleeping in a crate at night or being in one when you aren't home to supervise, to keep them safe.

    If people want to disagree with me that's fine..everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but telling me I am cruel and abusive would be a tad over the top... which is I guess what the OP is saying.. certainly didn't deserve negative reputation points.
    I agree. I have an outside dog and he doesn't like been inside. We let him in when its raining, storming or its too cold or too hot.
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    ATM my beasties are outside - it is cool but sunny. They need some sunshine - Flash is not getting enough vitamin D IMO and so when I am home I will forcibly remove them from the house - forcibly being with a stack of bones to chew on.

    I was never suggesting dogs shouldn't be outside - however to make a dog sleep outside away from its pack is silly IMO.

    Cappy used to sleep outside in summer as it was too hot inside - he suffered terribly in the heat - and that was OK too - but he had the choice - he wasn't forced one way or another.

    It's this idea of - dogs are for outside and that is where they need to stay!! - that I heartily disagree with and it seems that there are still people like that in the world, which is sad.

    Cappy was devestated any time I put him outside/inside and closed the door - he was so used to having the run of the place. I rarely did so - only when it was absolutely necessary - ie when maintenance ppl came. More often than not I would crate him so he could watch them - Cappy could be a real unpredictable turd when it came to strangers in the house. Always absolutely fine with my friends but people I didn't know and trust or those scared of dogs could potentially find a dog attached to their backsides - better safe than sued!! man I miss my shittyface!!

    The way the OP put this, she recommended that as they were having trouble housbreaking a dog, they should make him an outdoor dog - that is ridiculous. The way to fix a problem is not to ignore it and create a situation wherein the dog gets LESS contact.

    I had a friend whose dog was an outdoor dog and he was the ONLY dog I ever threw out of my house into the yard and forced him to stay there. She had done the very thing the OP suggested and had brought her dog up outside and never housebroken him - so he came into my house and started to mark his territory. It happened exactly ONCE and she was never invited to leave her dog with us again.

    I have looked after of plenty of peoples dogs where the dogs have spent a lot of time outside - my friends husky...another friends shepherd...all of my rescues - all dogs used to spending significant amounts of time outside- but all also really well socialised and allowed inside the house. I have no problem with that. It is the idea of an "outside" dog that I can't fathom. Why on earth would you get a dog if it spends ALL of its time outside?

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