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    How is Lady going to get electrocuted outside, how will she get 'stomped' when Roly is half her size, why the hell is anyone going to steal my dog, let alone catch her, she wont get stuck under my house, its on stilits, she wont get hit by a car, she is tied up the only time she ever runs away, she gets tied up away from anywhere it is even possible to hang herself.
    It would be cruel to keep my KELPIE in a crate, she is constantly moving, she would HATE it. She doesnt WANT to be inside.
    You have no idea because you dont own my dogs, you dont work like i do with your dogs, you have no effing idea Occy.
    Yeah I reckon anyone could do anything with the right training, so dont be all, oh yeah i could put a pin in a dogs leg with the right schooling.
    Ha, i actually do think I could go teach some kids some english or history.
    Seriously Occy, your gonna see this as a defeat, but I LITERALLY cannot fathom enough energy to defend myself with you.
    Keep babying your DOGS and i'll keep treating my babys like dogs.

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    Also useful when you've had enough of the kids...

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    I left an American Forum because of the crating issue. I am totally against crating or any restrictive measure unless extremely necessary and for a short period of time. I too Occy think it is cruel. Some people crate their dogs for hours on end. I have mine at home inside the house and they never mess up, get electrocuted or even disturb anything at all.. They play with their toys.

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    It isn't yourself you are defending - it is simply your position - I don't actually know you so how can it be personal?

    You need to reread what I wrote - dogs can be electrocuted INSIDE. Dogs can be stomped on by other dogs - in this case I was talking about my own puppy when he comes here. Flash could easily kill him by accident as he is such a big dog. Actually none of those comments were about YOUR dogs - they were about dogs in general.

    You also seem to keep missing the idea between working dogs and pets - a pet dog can work, a working dog IMO should never be a pet.

    I'm fairly sure if you have the appropriate personality you probably could be a teacher - but a majority don't last more than the first 2 years because they aren't cut out for it. As to the subjects you could teach, well that would depend on your training and your knowledge.

    Your last comment is laughable - because I don't think of my dogs as "babies". They aren't human, they don't think and function like humans. They're dogs - and once you begin to understand how dogs think (as well as humans can) perhaps you can see beyond your myopia.

    My dogs are part of my pack...I know my breed and know that to be effective they need to be able to be with me as much as possible - it is part of what a gsd is. my friend has huskies and they're outside because of their natures, but they get inside time too and have always been the most polite of dogs inside at my place - same with my friends oodle and dallie who live outside during the day - they get free reign here and they don't suffer either way. However, all of those dogs get plenty of human interaction and are inside of an evening. The people you advise (this is where you use this form of the word advice - so perhaps you shouldn't teach English) as part of your job are generally ones who will take you literally.

    Might be something to think about.

    I invite you to start your teacher training - you will need to do a four year undergraduate degree first as I believe they are phasing out the other types of degrees. After that it's a 1 or 2 year teaching qualification - just a graduate diploma - you should be able to do that easily!! I mean if I can...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimi1 View Post
    I left an American Forum because of the crating issue. I am totally against crating or any restrictive measure unless extremely necessary and for a short period of time. I too Occy think it is cruel. Some people crate their dogs for hours on end. I have mine at home inside the house and they never mess up, get electrocuted or even disturb anything at all.. They play with their toys.
    Excessive crating is cruel. I've heard of people who crate their dogs 17-18 hrs a dog in an apartment. That beggars believe. However, the point of a crate is to assist with training.

    My dogs are NOT crated - I don't need to - the worst they do is climb on the furniture. However, puppy will be 8 weeks old, he wont know the rules and a crate will be part of teaching him the rules, keeping my cool and providing time out for him and from him for the others.

    I completely agree that excessive crating is cruel - however there is a difference between excessive crating and using it as a tool.

    My dad is just like you - he doesn't want to have a crate for a dog at his place - would rather they were outside. I know my parents yard and I know a pup could easily escape and get killed. If I go there - I'll rely on a play pen and crate until the dog is old enough to understand some of the house rules.

    I don't agree with you but I do understand your point of view because I was like you until I took the time to understand the point of crates and using them properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Most dogs wernt bred to be pets, most were bred to serve a purpose and most didnt live in the house with the family.
    Actually, all dogs were bred for a purpose, including the Pug. The Pug was bred to be a lap dog and a companion. Just because a dog is not a working dog it doesnt neccessarily mean that it wasn't bred to serve some purpose.


    On my other forum, their dogs sleep in their crates all night.
    I actually will accept the concept of a dog sleeping at night in a crate. They are sleeping and so I dont see it as an issue. It also helps with toilet training young dogs and pups. I don't personally have dogs sleeping in crates though unless needed...which has not been often.

    In having said that, I currently have a young nutcase in and have opted to crate him at night. This gives him quiet time, and more importantly, it gives the other Pugs quiet time from his relentless playing and activity.

    Honestly, you two are arguing about semantics. You both seem intelligent people, how come you can't see that?
    A pessimist sees the glass as half empty;
    An optimist sees the glass as half full;
    A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    I completely agree that excessive crating is cruel - however there is a difference between excessive crating and using it as a tool.
    I agree.
    A pessimist sees the glass as half empty;
    An optimist sees the glass as half full;
    A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.

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    Anne - I disagree that it is semantics, I believe it is princples

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    Did she eat carrots too?

    I've seen some really ace rabbit hutches that would make great crates actually lol.

    A crate just means an enclosed space really - some people use bathrooms or laundries!! Too dangerous IMO
    HA!
    No, no carrots.
    But did the trick. I had rescue bunnies at the time and had a spare hutch that was brand new. Plastic bottom and coated wire walls. It was brilliant. She slept in it at night till she grew out of it, then I took it away, put her doggy-bed in the same spot and she was happy to do that too ( untill she discovered the big bed LOL!)

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    that's the point of any training device - to train! glad it worked for her lol

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