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An optimist sees the glass as half full;
A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.
I don't see what's wrong with the advise you have given either
All my life, most dogs I've known live outside...it's only since I've become a member to a dog forum that I realise just how many ppl have their dogs inside!
If you go to the mother and baby forum I chat on, you'll see the voting poll go the otherway...many believe dogs belong outside.... so long as the dog is still an avid member of the family, played with, walked, fed, watered, housed, warm, etc etc....I certainly don't see is as being cruel.
My 1st memory of our family dog was running outside in the mornings to play with her...we lived on a cattle station where dogs are not just pets, but also working dogs...these dogs are dearly loved by thier owners....just not allowed inside..it's a country thing...every station I visited was the same.
Again when we moved to the city...our RSPCA dog was also trained to live outside..we had no screens to lock him out..he just learned to not come in the house...it was completely normal! My aunts dogs were the same..so were our neighbours dogs.
I have seen a dog caged "umm created??" to me, that is cruel...the dog can't even stretch in those things. Surley the backyard is much more of a dog enviroment than a cage. JMO
Thankyou so much for those posts Ozeymum, Anne and Ally.
Lady (the outside dog) is the same Ally, she comes inside gets all excited then as soon as shes calm, she sits at the door.
On the cold nights I bring her in, she hates it.
Anne, I also agree, a whippet or pug as an outside dog is a no no and I would have a problem with that.
Most dogs wernt bred to be pets, most were bred to serve a purpose and most didnt live in the house with the family.
Lady is this breed.
On my other forum, their dogs sleep in their crates all night.
You are once again demonstrating ignorance in relation to crating. Perhaps Em will post a photo of poor Mia in her crate where the poor thing can't stretch. *cough*
The point of the crate is to keep the dog from harm. Better a dog crated while you are out shopping than coming back to a dead dog because they have decided to pull out some wiring (happened to one of my students - dog was pregnant at the time too).
Would have happened to cappy during a thunder storm too as his first reaction was to try and hide behind the tv - the crate gave him somewhere safe and secure.
Better to use a crate than more and more dogs ending up in the pound. A crate is a den - as the dog gets older you simply leave the door open.
My next pup will have a crate - for car travel, for international travel and for sleeping in at night. During the day he will be either with my or in a puppy play pen that can be moved inside and outside.
I COULD leave him outside - then again he COULD get sliced open by the metal fencing...he COULD get stuck under the house...HE COULD electrocute himself...He COULD get killed by the other dogs by annoying them til they stomp on him...he COULD get out and get hit by a car...he COULD be stolen...He COULD hang himself by his collar...
I'm sure a number of you have had one or more of these scenarios - I know that I would like to avoid them!!
There will come a time when I no longer need the crate but it will stay up so that the dog can use it as he pleases.
Those who think crating is cruel are
1. Trying to get a rise out of me and others
3. Trying to equate the cruelty of a dog coming out of a ute and being garotted with using a crate to keep a dog safe
4. Trying to equate sensible crate use with forcing a dog to live outside. Out of sight out of mind. Most ppl with dog behaviour problems seem to have outdoor dogs...interesting...out of sight, out of mind!
What on earth is wrong with a dog sleeping in a crate in your bedroom ALL night - that's when they SHOULD sleep - ALL night. obviously in the case of puppies they will need to go out several times. Hell, better inside that outside all night.
As I said - no probs with dogs riding in cabs - huge probs with dogs riding unrestrained or tied by the neck.
No prob with outdoor dogs so long as they get some inside time. Why on earth would you get a dog if it's going to spend a majority of its time alone and all its time outside? Seems a ridiculous waste of money to me. You buy a dog for companionship or work - most of us fall under the former.
We had outdoor dogs - hell we had a dog on a chain - even as a 12 year old I thought that was cruel. Keep being ignorant if you like - it is bliss I hear.
I don't agree that you should have been chewed out aussiemyf - but I also think you probably cracked the sads because people didn't agree and probably wrote a suicide post to go with your departure. I don't agree with you and I would never EVER rehome a dog to a situation where a dog was kept outside all the time or to a situation where a dog rode unsecured in a ute or tied by the neck. My perogative to do as I see fit, and yours to do as you see fit.
Were I you, I would have reminded the Americans of their own system of justice where freedom of speech is explicit (unlike in Australia where it is only implied) and that you have the right to your opinion.
Vet nurses give crap advice quite often, as do vets - so do doctors and nurses for that matter. You aren't god, and your TAFE certificate has not made you an expert - not that I am suggesting that I am god - but my experience is varied (more than most on this forum, but not more than all). I've actually tried these things, I have seen the devestation doing some of the more dangerous things has done to others, I have seen and experienced some of the near misses.
Keep saying that crates are cruel - all it shows is ignorance. If you had said - I used to use crates but they didn't work for us you would at least demonstrate some experience. As it is all you nay sayers are doing is adding to carbon emissions.
What would you know...
DOGS IN UTES
Secure your Dog Safely in your Ute.
Driving safety message for dogs in utes - Local News - Gold Coast, QLD, Australia
Dog Safety in the Car Dog Safety - Dogs Life Articles - Dog Information - Dog Breeders - Dog Training
Dog Crates - Cruel Or Kind?
All About Dogs!...Crate Training Your Puppy or Adult Dog
Are Dog Crates Cruel? - Associated Content
The Great Crate Debate - wcco.com
Disclaimer: I didn't write or contribute to any of these websites - they are simply from a google search
Bleeding nose there occy?...FFS..yeah lock up a GREAT DANE in a create...pffffffffffft, what a joke!
Occy when I first became a member here, my first post, was on a thread between you and Billy, and once again Occy, you were arguing.
I find a lot of the things you just said very rude and im sure some fellow members will too.
I cant even begin to reply to all those disgusting things you said but I'd like to see you go into surgery and help place pins in a dogs leg, or de-sex a dog, i could go on.
And im gonna take those thing for a, a, a teacher?
Pffft, get over yourself Occy. I dont care for you anymore.
Ok, here's a good one?
Guess what I used as a crate when I got Lola?
A Rabbit cage in my bedroom LOL! She slept in it at night for a couple of weeks.
LOL you don't care for me because I disagree with you. I bet I could help place pins in a dogs leg AND de-sex a dog given training. If you disagree with me, feel free to state your case. And yes, yes I am a teacher - a teach with degrees in Literature and Biology, with Honors in History and who is currently working on a Masters degree. What of it? How does that make my knowledge less valuable than yours?
I am sure that people who disagree with me will find what I say very rude, however, your only response is "I don't care for you". Darlin...I never asked you to and I am not going to treat you any differently now that you have made that "revelation".
Use the ignore button - I do and it's great!
Ozeymum - there are Great Dane sized crates - I remember one lady I met at a dog training seminar kept hers in a soft-krate because her dog was a panicker when it came to other dogs and it was the only way she could keep him calm. It was actually the first time I ever saw a crate in use. Crates come in different sizes - from pug to gsd to newfie to dane!
It is just a training device - have a read of a couple of those articles - you may not want to use it yourself, but what is the harm of knowing about them?
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